Ogres of Hunger and Spite

Ogres of Hunger and Spite
Okay, to start of: I´m not sure about the fluff for my tribe quite yet, so I won´t write any proper stuff at the time. But my main idea is a tribe that don´t like “the ogre way”. They hate and despise the Maw and the hunger it brings, even if they love to satisfy theat feeling aswell as any ogre! Hence they´re driving a small-scale war against the Ogre race!

This probably stems from the origin of the tribe, which is a slaverebellion or something similar. All of this has gotten the whole tribe an extremely good reputation amongst more ordered races, since they have been known for siding against ogre tribes and their likes for free or little payment. Hence mistaking their zealous hate and playing where the odds are in their favour for “being good”.  Consequently, this has also given them some amount of “respect” from some of the skaven clans located in the mountains of Mourn (who always apreciate some proper backstabing!).

Short about me
Male, 22 years at the moment (-89), live in Gothenburg, Sweden (originally from Karlshamn in Blekinge).  Studies to become a collegeteacher in Physics and Psychology. Listens to Eminem, Metallica, Ramstein and loads of radio and other music. Like to game (PC/PS3), anime and pen & paper roleplaying! ^^

Collects mainly Ogres, but also Lizardmen and a little bit of other stuff to. Loves to convert and like to paint aswell (even if it happens all too rarely). I´ve been hanging around this forum quite a lot since just before the new release of Ogres and find the community to be the best I´ve ever seen around the net!

But Okay! To really get started, since I´ll use it as my Avatar I guess I´ll head on with my butcher!

Butcher / Slaughtermaster
On the front of the old codex there´s a butcher heading for the middle of the picture just to the right side of the tyrant. This guy is the best picture of an ogre I´ve ever seen. He looks nasty-minded and with little or no drives but his hunger. And his pose, slow and purposeful, is awesome aswell! Now I didn´t successfully duplicate him, but I think I´ve capured the pose and still made a good butcher! This is probably the best green I´ve ever done

(Next to the Ironblaster pilot for size comparison)





Talking about greens, he´s actually mostly made of Super Sculpey (“Firm” kind) and his core is an old bull body. Mostly for saving me the trouble of making him the right scale. For sure was the last time I did that thou, for even such thick pieces of plastic as a bulls leg apparently bends a little bit when heated, hence cracking the final sculpt as seen a bit below…

But it all started out like this. A bull body, some Sculpey and a bit of wire to make the next layer och clay to stick! I´ve also drilled straight throu his shoulders and inserted and bent wire to build up his arms around. Then I cured it and went on to the next step!



Another layer of clay with some texture for the next layer to get something to "hold on to". As of now just bulking up the model...



And yeah, as you can see below, it cracked when it cured :p But! Superglue and some green stuff helped me out with this one!



Aaaaaaand one from the back too...



That´s all the pictures I´ve got for you of my butcher atm! He´s been paused in favour of other ogres, mostly because I´m scared of ruining him >.<

(Info about Super Sculpey: Super Sculpey is a polymere clay that doesn´t turn hard until it reaches high temperatures in an oven or in boiling water. You do in other words have an indefinite working time on your sculpt!

It got some backlashes thou… for one it turns very hard and crispy, compared to green stuff that´s a bit flexible even after cured. This means it more easily breaks under stress! Don’t get me wrong, I´ve dropped my pretty thick blob of a butcher in the floor more than once and it havn´t broken or even chipped. But if you wanna drilla a hole in It you´ll get som heavy chipping in the surface next to your hole. Or that´s atleast the result I´ve experienced.

So I´d say that SS (Super Sculpey) is perfect for building up bulky stuff and you can then add the most important details, like the face, in GS (Green Stuff). Also, SS costs 1/10 of Greenstuff!!! 

I buy it IRL from a store in town (GBG > (close to) Nordstan > InEx), so I can´t really tip you off where to get it other than there :p) Oh, and yeah, SS hold paint as well as any material after primed and painted!


My own Guidelines for Ogre conversions
I have a few things that I´d like to fulfil with my armys aperance:

- There can only be one of each face!
- A hundred swords or clubs is just fine and they can look alike, but not be identical!
- Savagery! Adding some pelts and stuff to make them look a bit mote “wild” is a must!
- No more walking for you, tubby! Static poses is a  big no no, and hopefully I can make a unit or two with some speed in it. Momentum, show yourself!
- Get some beard or hair on those faces/heads…

This Gnoblog
It will probably not be very colourfull, sadly. I strive to finish the models I do, but there´s always other tempting projects you wanna get your hands on, so I usually don´t get to painting my stuff…

BUT! Me and some friends have gotten very serious when it comes to collecting and gaming, so I´m motivated like I´ve never been before (-ish), so I´ll try to get a blotch of colour in here and there ^^

Oh… and the updates will probably be quite sporadic. I put school first in all instances, and between school and this Gnoblog there´s a lot of other things on that list. So sorry, I can´t promise you guys much of loyalty in terms of regular updates…

Coming up in the Future!
- Magic markers
- Tyrant (in the form of a Doombull)
- Bruiser
- Giant
- Bulls
- Ironguts
- Leadbelchers
- Gnoblars
- Alternative Sabretusks
- Maneaters (Non GW)

As you see… too many projects! ;9


About YOU!
People here show so much love ( ) when others do gnoblogs, so I can without doubt say that comments of any kind is very much welcome. Tell me what you like and what you don´t like! I´d love to hear it all, even if I can´t answear to everything or agree with you every time I´ll do my best 

To get less text per picture:



If you read the spells from the great Maw you´ll get it! ^^ I´ll cover it better in some future post when I have it painted! Doing some spines at the moment aswell… credd to BigD for giving me this idea in his gnoblog! ^^


Achievments: +2 added (2/101)
 
7. Oooo, shiny! - buy one of the models new to the ogre range
IB/Scraplauncher (have) and Mournfangs (ordered and on the way)!

56. Start a gnoblog for your ogre army
You´re reading it!

Special Thanks!
Last but not the least! I have to mention forum user Nightmare! She answered one of my questions over at her Legendary Gnoblog (Dragon's Mountain Tribe) in the kindest of ways, and also answered my further noob-questions about where to store your pictures etc. So many thanks to you for your help and encouragement! ^^

PS. So nobody goes ahead and spam Nightmare about all tha I´ve already asked: Host your pictures on photobucket, klick the "IMG code" while holding your mouse over a picture and paste that into your gnoblog! There you have it!   

Take care people!

I think you did a fantastic job reproducing the musculature.

Great sculpt, really bestial.

Good work and I look forward to seeing more in the future (especially looking forward to seeing non static poses as that irks me as it seems to do yourself though I am not skilled enough to sculpt my own!!!)

Cheers

Tozon

You're welcome. 

That's some great sculpting work you've got there! The butcher's expression is properly violent and frightening. My favourite part is his teeth, and his massiveness.  I love the spell markers too.

Have you decided yet what color scheme will you be going for? Will it be the one from the cover of the first armybook, where you got the inspiration for the butcher from? The ogres in that picture are exactly how I imagine them to be, and if I were doing a normal ogre army I'd make 'em look like that.

Anyways, keep up the good work! I'll be waiting eagerly for your next update.

Awesome work, respect. i'm not so good at sculpting and just have made conversions with green stuff. i will follow your blog and hope to learn a lot from you

+1 gnoblar for you

matt

Woah, nice conversion! Keep up the good work, I'll be watching this blog

(Du har bra musiksmak, jag bor i Kungsbacka och ska studera till lärare i göteborg till hösten, world so small?)

Regards
Danne

Great job, I will be following your progress. The whole sculpt is good but I especially love the mouth.

You've set the bar quite high I think, I hope you can carry it through.

I'm also in Göteborg, good to see the Ogres are strong around here.

@timmy461
Thank you! Googling around for "bodybuilding" felt mighty weird thou...

@Tozon
Thanks! Beastial sounds great! ^^ About movement, I hope you´ll tell me what you think then when I finally get some bulls done

@nightmare
Glad you like the teeth! Probably the part of him that has the most work and planning behind them (>.<) Wanted his mouth to be Maw-ish! And I agree, that picture represents exactly how I figure ogres to be aswell! Guess they toned that gluttunous violence down a bit in the newer artwork.. >.o

I have kind of decided my tribes skintone... at the first release of Ogres many years ago I bought a box of ´em and tried the original skintype aking more to asian. But after failing horribly and seeing how good GWs ogres look in the skin they´re wearing now I think i´ll go for something close to that. Not the least because Tallarn Flesh is such a divine pot of colour

@Matt Wilfriedson
WOW! First gnoblar ever!! Thank you!  Glad you like the gnoblog, getting me all motivated and stuff! ^^ I hope you learn some (since I jolt around and try to take in as much as possible aswell )

@Danne
Haha, thank you, both for compliments about miniatures and taste in music  Upcoming teacher and living in the same region-ish of sweden. Either the world is really small... OR THE STRONGHOLD IS REALLY BIG!!! 

 

A little bit of an update: So, I´ve got some magic markers done! Did a whole lot of painting done yesterday... also, I copied a marker idea from Fantasyfreaks gnoblog for the "Ogre Charge".

But first, my magic marcers!



From the left: Trollguts, Bullgorger, Toothcracker & Spinemarrow. On the base is what the butcher eats to produce the buffs each marker represents. To distinguish them as markers and to catch my eye during game I´ve made the on round bases and painted some white dots on the edge ^^ Guts and heart is my favourites! (Re-painted the heart about 4 times...)

And then markers for the Ogre charge:



I put a to thick layer of glue on before putting on the static grass, so they kind of "drown" in it...  Anyhow, they work, even if I think they doesn´t stand out as much as I think a proper maker should. If nothing else, they were fun to do and gave me chance of practice how to (not) do my ogres gutplates   

Open Question: Talkin about following, is there anyway to "subscribe" to a thread? Since I´ve mostly been sneaking around as a guest I´ve simply saved Gnoblogs as favourites, but now I´m an active member I guess there´s a better way?

@Anton
I´m happy the mouth "hits home", or however you express it!  Hehe, and I (unfortunately) think I´ll have to lower the bar a bit for anything that is not Hero/Lord or there about (since this dude took ages to do...), but I´ll try to do the best I can non the less  Apreciate your kind words!

And I guess people in Gothenburg like to "livin it large" (lol, bad one, sorry :p)

Open Question: Talkin about following, is there anyway to "subscribe" to a thread? Since I´ve mostly been sneaking around as a guest I´ve simply saved Gnoblogs as favourites, but now I´m an active member I guess there´s a better way?

Yeah, well, if you comment on something, if someone posts something on the thread, you will be notified in the "show new replies to your posts" section. Also, there is a button called "notify" on the top right corner of the thread. I don't like it personally cause I don't like noticifations by email, but it's still an option. I prefer to just write something on the post though. So basicly, if you want to follow a gnoblog, just compliment the author

And I guess people in Gothenburg like to "livin it large" (lol, bad one, sorry :p)

Gnoblar awarded for awesome sense of humor

@Danne
Haha, thank you, both for compliments about miniatures and taste in music  Upcoming teacher and living in the same region-ish of sweden. Either the world is really small... OR THE STRONGHOLD IS REALLY BIG!!! 

It's basicly the same town, about 20-25 km I'll have to say, since we are ogres, it's the stronghold that's big (making bad jokes is fun) EDIT: I just realized it wasn't even funny

Regards
Danne

Every once in a while I try making spell markers like yours but my Greenstuff modelling skills are no where near yours.  AMAZING stuff.  You've inspired me to try again. 

Are the spines greenstuff as well?

Amazing work on sculpting that butcher! The markers look real neat too.

@ Danne
Ahhh, smart! Getting people to put some comments out in the process! I gotta start getting around all the great gnoblogs aroundh here...

@ Sigmar13
Thanks alot! Happy to help And the spines are actually my first go of sculpting with Milliput! It might cost 1/10 of Green stuff, but that´s just about how good it is to work with too... I´d say it´s worth getting for filling stuff out, but not really sculpting :p

@ Outbreakxvx
Thank you! ^^

To add a little bit of an update aswell: More markers!!! (>.<)

Update

Or rather a counter... this is supposed to be used for calculating combat resolution. The two plates with a giants foot and a giants head is fully rotatable and not removable. The plates are 40K round bases, and everything else is made of plasticard of different thickness and shapes! (Sheeets, 2mm for the platform and 0,5 mm for the copper edges, and rods for the bolts on those edges).



These piccs are a bit old, but better old updates than none



And a turn counter!




This is an objective marker I´m working on. It´s a big barrel full of the armys Butchers magic ingredients! The barrel is from "Playmobil" (kinda like Lego) and is about the height of a bull. It´s mostly made out of spare greenstuff, but also an orch arm and leg, a Ungor arm with a hand, a bull head upside down (oposite side of the picture, and somewhere in there a small elven hand aswell.) The barrel is not fille thou, I made a "fake bottom" of plasticard about 1 cm (~1/2 inch) down.


And this guy I made during my brief collecting of beastmen a while ago. If/When I field him I´d use the entry of "Tyrant", even if he fluff-wise would be subordinate to my BSB bruiser! He´s made 100% from the GW Doombull and green stuff. His weapons is the orignial axe split in two!



That´s it for now Hope you like it!

Nice gnoblog.  I like your idees for making the game more easy.  Very nice paintjobs.  Keep up the good work...

Wow.. the combat resolution calculator and turn counter are freaking genius.

@MilamberDex Thank you Though I have to say I´ve more or less sto... ehm, borrowed every single idea :p

@Sigmar Thx! Haha, you´re too kind! 

Well, anyhows, I´ve been a bit slow on the updating, but stuff to do you know (and some fallback to Lizardmen). But luckily a bit of that "to do" have been my ogres ^^

Front row (3 x 2 bulls)
Ogres barging head first into battle. The outmost left one is more or less done, the other two still needs their weapons fixed! Other than that there´s mostly minor stuff, like beard on the bearded guy to the right, or some skin to the "beastial" Ironfist for the dude in the middle!



Backrow
Left dude is probably constantly in conflict with the middleguy, shoving him over for that punch to the face he suffered yesterday. The way it looks he got another one coming... (notice these ogres aren´t positioned correct yet!). Guy to the right is heaving himself over some helpless bastard. Probably my favourite ogre so far, to bad he  isn´t done justice in this picture.



Aaaaaand being both cheap and not too wealthy I´m trying to build a scraplauncher out of the leftovers from the ironblaster and some plasticard. We´ll see how it turns out



C&C is very much welcome!

really like those counters.

Ogres running are very nice too, but they seems a bit... dunno, about to fall off? Their beard is epic, and the muscle seems pretty damn impressive.

Lovin' the movement in those ogres! The musculature is very well sculpted

Great sculpting and very ambitious to put in all that work on the regular troopers. I hope you see it through.

I'm a bit sceptical about the big flat pieces for the Scraplauncher but maybe you have a plan for those.

Thank ya´ll for your kind words! Glad you like the muscle, I found it very hard to get anywhere near right and had to resculpt some... I just have to work a bit on my anatomy-knowledge to get it just right I guess, aswell as Green Stuff smoothing-skills! And with that I mean back-muscle is DAMN HARD!!!

@Enkiel - Haha, I can see what you mean  First ogre to the right could just aswell go fumbling headlong into an oak, and the right ogre on the second picture should probably have a banana sculpted under his foot But they´re all blu-taced into place atm, I hope to "balance" them with good positioning relative to one another, aswell as giving the ones missing weapons the right kind in the right angle!

Might also get a file and angle them a bit by working it underneath their feet ^^ If nothing else there will hopefully be more moving ogres up ahead, so I´ll get better! (I hope!) Though I´m currently trying a little more "subtle" movement in my Leadbelchers and Ironguts at the momemnt. Partly because they wear more cumbering equipment, and partly just to try different stuff and see what I like best 

@Anton - Yeah, you´re absolutely right! Apart from a Slaanesh-army, smoot surfaces don´t belong in fantasy :p I thought I´d build the skeleton up with plasticard and then cover it all with a very thin layer Green Stuff and try to make some texture.

But, I´ve felt a bit discouraged lately... apparently the Scrappie is a piece of crap (ruleswise) and I should be going for a 2nd Ironblaster instead  I would like to have one of each, but it´s harder putting work into something if you suspect you might not be fielding it any...

...so maybe I´ll just make a cannon and put up there instead, crewed by the scrappie gnoblars? :p Ahhh, we´ll see. If only school didn´t give you homework... *dreams away*

It's not that bad if you think of it as a chariot with a weapon rather than a proper weapons platform like the Ironblaster. I'm making one because I like the concept and I can only have two Ironblasters anyway so there are rare points left for a Scraplauncher as well if I'm not fielding a big monster.

I think it would be easier to do the platform if you went with smaller bits of plasticard to sculpt wood grain onto. You probably don't want it to look like one big platform anyway, more like a lot of smaller pieces of scavenged parts. A bunch of spare barrels from the Ogre sprues will probably be useful too.

I reckon ye 'ardly need more encouragement, fer I sees ye got some really great stuff there. Great work on the butcher and the dynamic Ogre poses. Also, I like the beards ye did fer 'em, quite fancy and very as well. I might have to nock a few ideas there.

Yo Omaeshin! I might have to make/sculpt legs from scratch in the near future. Any pointers? I saw you building up your crown jewel with clay

Regards
Danne

Very cool combat reslution counter. The paintjob looks very promising, the ogres will end up looking superb.
The poses on the bulls are incredibly dynamic. I wish I had the patience for doing such things. All my models end up looking static because I'm too lazy to cut up ogre bodies and sculpt them into different poses.
Are those lego wheels on the scraplauncher?

Anyways, great job! 

@Anton - Thanks for the advice, but I still only have one Ironblaster, and I don't know if it's wise to sink a too big part of your points in the that category The Scraplauncher on the other hand I´ll probably whip up somewhere in the future since the arm to the catapult is too sweet to give up, not to mention the fluff about it ^^ Thou I'd like it too look quite rigid, so I'll go with a more sturdy structure than scrawny and hope I still can manage to get it to look a bit ramshackle!

@Captn Morgrim - Encouragement never becomes stale, so thank you very much for your kind words I'd be happy if you knock'd some of my ideas (which in most cases is borrowed from someone else :p)

@Danne - Yo dude! Thank you for asking ^^ I'm myself building the bottom part of an ogre somewhere in the future, and if you like me have a torso then it'll really help ypur case alot! You simply need a skeleton (thick wire, 2mm works the best in my opinion! You can get it for a few coins and some brawling at Clas Ohlssons in Nordstan. Look for "Najtråd").

Such a thin skeleton mostly gives your finished product stability and durability, but it´s not great to sculpt details straight onto. So thicken it a bit first. You can use Green Stuff ofcourse, but since it´s very expensive I'd suggest:

a.) Milliput. Cost about 1/30 of the GW Green Stuff. Don't really like to sculpt in it, but to get some "mass" to structures or fill deep gaps it fits perfekt. Try ordering from www.Maelstrom.co.uk (order all my stuff from there, free shiiping from 10 £!)

b.) Super Sculpey (Firm). That's the grey stuff you've seen some of my sculpts made in. Costs less than 1/10 of GW Green Stuff, holds detail extremely well, have an infinite working time and cures upon boiling. You who live in Gothenburg can get it from "In Ex", just below "SF Bokhandeln" near Nordstan ^^ But there's a couple of things to bear in mind when working with SS. One of the backlashes is that it doesn't really stick to anything like the Green Stuff do, so If you're gonna sculpt onto something, like plastics, then go with da greens! Otherwise you have to get some thin wire around it the get the clay to stick, as you can see in my first post done on my butcher! Also, you can't cure it if it's on/with some kind of plastics, since it cures by heat and plastics tend to bend and deform under such temperatures, which will crack your sculpt... 

c.) And about da greens, you really shouldn't get it from Games Workshop! Buy Gale Force 9's pack of a 100 grams. About 1/4 in price if you're purchasing the same amount from GW! They (GF 9) got some (crappy) sculptingtools aswell that´s utterly excellent for your Milliput/Sculpey sculpting!

And then, when you got some "backbone" to your model I'd say it's a good time to get some green stuff onto it and start sculpting! And, those Clay Shapers made of silicone is golden when working with green stuff! (got mine at "In Ex"!). A picture of some musculature for reference, or artwork close at hands also helps out alot. And if things go wrong, don´t be afraid to cut the bad sculpt off with a scalpel or rip it off before it's cured. Those tubes from GF 9 lasts forever...

PS. If you're going for the Milliput, do NOT use saliva when sculpting! That stuff gets all slimy when in contact with water, and you'll end up with it in your mouth instead of on your model. Sculpey doesn't stick at all, so there´s no need for it Though get some "Rubbing Alcohol" (Isopropylalkohol > Apoteket) to brush your sculpey sculpt before boiling it to smooth out the surface! There is tons of great tutorials on YouTube

@Nightmare - Yay! Hey! Thank you, I'm glad you think so ^^ You don't need movement, and I'm starting to think it's a fools work to try get some into all my Ogres up ahead (THE WORK!!!). And I've never thought of your models as too static, and considering the work put in ´em I'd hardly say you are lazy. I do actually think GW made a superb job to get movement in too such "static" models as ogres. That sounds unlogical, but I hope you know what I mean :p I mostly do the "running" because it seemed as a fun and good idea (at the time >.<) to get a more unique/personal army

And haha, If I'm not mistaking the wheels are from some "Playmobil" I had when I was small, and I think it's like a cheaper copy of lego :p

Updates!
Yes please! Not just a wall of text...

First off is a replacement for the Rhinox head. I wanted a bull to draw my Scraplaunchers since I'm having two bulls pull my Ironblaster :p Here's how it looked early evening...
 


And here's a couple of hours later



I had a picture up on my laptop of the Forge World bull from the Chaos Dwarves -range. Helped alot and I'm pretty pleased with it except one thing...

It became a bit big! I hope I somehow manage to save it in the future, or that you wont really think about it, but right now it's like a thorn in my eye (probably mostly because I sat so long with it and It didn't end up as I thought it would...)



In the image above you can also see a couple of other of things. To the left is my first maneater (Forge World Ogryn model, "Beast handler") that's supposed to be "Skaven" with all that high-teck á la Skryre! Infront of him is a pistol from the 40K Nob set (that'll end up at the back of his belt), and I changed his shock-prod to a hammer instead! A bit further down is a cannon bounce-marker (Milliput) and a magic marker for "Bloodgruel" (Super Sculpey).

Then I´ve also managed to slap some paint onto my gnoblars, even tried out some OSL here and there! and yeah, the gnobbies are only painted with flat colours and then dipped. No highlights or anything. I´m always amazed over the finished result!



Hope you like it, C&C welcome! (though more C than C, please!) :p

PS. Just remembered, the metal have had some work done on it except flat colours to get a little bit rusty! Most noticable on the far right dude.