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First Ogre Battle, playing against Orcs!

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This was my first battle, so I didn't expect to do very well. I wasn't disappointed.

Ogres-

HEROES:

Bruiser w/ Siegebreaker, Fistful of Laurels, Heavy Armor- 179 pts A

Butcher w/ Halfling Cookbook- 155 pts B

Butcher w/ Skullmantle- 150 pts C

CORE:

3 Bulls w/ Bellower- 115 pts B

3 Bulls w/ Bellower- 115 pts C

7 Ironguts w/ Bellower- 346 pts (Bruiser in this unit) A

4 Ironguts w/ Bellower- 202 pts D

10 Gnoblar Trappers w/ Snarefinger- 64 pts E

SPECIAL:

3 Leadbelchers w/ Bellower- 175 F

TOTAL: 1501 pts (he said it was ok if I was 1 point over)

He had something like a lvl 2 Shaman on a boar, 2 units of Savage Orc Boyz (1 was Big 'uns) 2 Tuskgor Chariots (1 had his Orc Big Boss in it), 40 Night Goblin archers with a banner that made the arrows poisoned, and THREE Rock Lobbers.


Deployment, there was quite a bit of terrain in the middle of the map. I was really relying on my greater maneuverability and speed to help me out, but unfortunately, that was not to be. Over the course of a couple turns, all my repeated efforts to Braingobbler his Goblins met with failure, and he shot my unit of Ironguts to death (I was waiting for his goblins to flee, as his chariot was right behind them, so I could counter-attack). My Gnoblars didn't manage to kill off his rock lobbers, and my rolling was TERRIBLE the entire game, while his was pretty amazing.



........Chariot................................... ...Lobber....Lobber......Lobber

GoblinsGoblinsGoblins............................. .........BigBoss
.................................................. ........Terrain
................................................Te rrain......E.................................Boyz. .....Boyz
.................................................. ...............Terrain.......Shaman




.................................................. ...Terrain..............................A......... ........C
............B..................................... .................F
......................D




Obviously, that's a really bad example of the original layout, but it's the best I could do. Not to mention, I had my unit of 7 Ironguts w/ the Bruiser ready to charge the unit of Savage Big 'uns, and he rolled a 6 for animosity, letting him go forward d6 inches... he rolled a 5, letting he be able to charge me. When I counter-charged his other unit of Boyz the next turn with my Bulls, they completely ate my guys alive. At that point, I conceded, as most of his forces were intact, and I hadn't managed to take out any of his Lobbers.
First off, welcome to the Stronghold Wuggles64.
Well, your first mistake was having that huge unit of ironguts. Imagine if you had 12 guts (those 11, plus another from the 3rd belcher you drop because you don't need it), divided into four units of three. You'll then have twice the amount of damage dealing units, and they'd be only marginally less survivable (because you have 4 units he can't concentrate all his fire into your deathstar, they're also smaller targets which means it's easier for the stone thrower to scatter off target, they can hide better, and they are more manueverable). Against greenskins it is vital you counter their static CR with flankers.
Personally, I would have loved to face that list. He has 3 huge, expensive units as his core, supported by two chariots (which is what the trappers are for). Gnoblars should have been used to draw his frenzied orcs into terrian where they would mire about for several turns while you jumped the rest of his army. But hindsight is 20/20, huh?
There are sections of the Stronghold devoted to tactics, strategies against specific armies, and army lists. Don't be afraid to post there and ask for help. It's what we're all here for.
Quote from: Ganymede on Mar 26, 2009, 11:17:45 AM
If by RAW, you mean "Reg06's Audacious Whims", then you'd be right.
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You know... I don't think he everdid anything for frenzy... his units just sat there the entire game, even moving backwards and such (I don't know if frenzy lets you do this, I'm new to the game) and even when my gnoblars were within 8 inches, he didn't charge them. If that's the case, then that game would have gone very differently for me. Also, apparently his chariots are T7, so my str 2 Gnoblar throwing stuff couldn't actually deal it any damage.
Wow. I REALLY want that army he's playing. Frenzied units MUST charge if they are in range, ALWAYS. They can move normally, but they can't flee, and they must charge. Now normally I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he didn't know these things, and was looking at the BRB for stats (which is where he got the T7 on the boar chariot? I don't know. I don't think it says that in there, but I don't have the book), but no, he's probably straight up cheating. He clearly has the army book (he used Big 'Uns, and knows how animosity works, and had those magic items), and chariots are quite clearly marked as being T5 in there.
Quote from: Ganymede on Mar 26, 2009, 11:17:45 AM
If by RAW, you mean "Reg06's Audacious Whims", then you'd be right.
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Yeah... he actually tried fleeing in response to one of my charges at one point, but then he realized that his unit would run off the board so he changed his mind about it. Oh well.
Most important part is that you learned something from this... Always carry a BRB with you  :D

But as most allready said don't use big units, rather have more small units around and when using them go for the bait and flee tactic (used it in some pratice games and worked fine up untill now).

And the moment a beginner cant make mistakes is when the world turns purple and Bush gets another go at the presidentship (if that's a word)
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