The Tale of Four Gamers Discussion Thread

Well, the first official Ogre Stronghold Tale of Four gamers is underway. The articles are going to start appearing monthly on the main site (click here), with the introduction article and what each player is collecting already up. This thread is for discussing anything and everything to do with the four gamers. If you have a question for one of them, post it here! Want to comment on a conversion or an army list from it, post it here!

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Corai

Alrighty, I'll start off the discussion by posting up the list I am lookin at and the theme idears -

Branchwraith with Murder of Spites (gonna do her in summer)

10 Dryads with a Branch Nymph upgrade (Spring theme)

10 Dryads (Winter theme)

10 Dryads (Fall theme)

Treeman (Summer)

So I have a good idea of how to get winter along really well.  Pretty much barren trees with some snow on them and snow bases.  Probably in some sort of grey base working up to a white.  As far as the other themes I haven't got really a clue other then copying stuff from Joe Sturge and the rest of the season themed armies.  I am more then open to suggestions on what you guys all think would be cool to include in the different seasons.  Cheers!  Jestor

gulp!

that list looks strong - and going vivaldi will make it look great too!  maybe use differences in wood colour too (grey for winter, dark browns for autumn, lighter shades for spring and summer).  Possibly also pose the spring and summer ones more "activly" with winter being more "static"?  just a thought.

I've been kicking ideas around for my skaven theme too - and one that really appeals to me is clan pestilens. I'm going to try and give each unit in my force a different plague (there are a few types mentioned in the skaven fluff I've read) - modelling them and painting them up should be interesting....

any objections to me using the clan pestilens list from the back of the book??

I'm really leaning towards a cult 'enemy within' style theme. To this end, I'm going to wind up converting dang near everything in the army as I don't really want a norse marauder look like chaos has now. At the moment I'm planning something along the lines of

Aspiring champ - Cult leader, magos looking. Probably scratch sculpted

Marauder Horsemen - Use Glade riders as the base as they have the best unarmoured mounts and are almost armature thin, then sculpt robes etc on top to make them look like mounted cultists. Probably use the old necromunda redemptionists and current flaggellants as influence for robes

2 Chariots (1 for general) - not really sure about these. I'm planning to scratch build them, but chariots are kind of hard to hide in an imperial city. I might see if I can make an imperial looking chariot using imagery from the steamtank etc. All suggestions for these welcome

Chaos Knights - perhaps not the best choice for a small army but If I decide to expand the force I know I'll want some of these guys. For the riders I'm planning on using parts from the plstic chaos warriors and have them in lots of bits of torn robes. Kind of like these are the local order of knights who have fallen and only reveal themselves when the cult is in need of support (much like Aekold Hellbrasses early history). For their mounts, I've been thinking of copying the gnarloc conversion that accompanied the kroot army lost for 40K it's the avian head of a krootox mounted on a cold one's body. I really wanted to add something monstrous to the army and I quite like the idea that the knights are able to hide in the city because their mounts are daemonic and can be summoned when needed.

Hounds - if I do the gnarloc style conversion then the obvious way to go for these guys would be kroot hounds, but I love the regular chaos hound models so may stick with these.

any thoughts on any of this?

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Corai

any objections to me using the clan pestilens list from the back of the book??

There was a Cool clan Pestilens list in the Lustria book you mite like to look at?
Just a thought  .

thanks Blu Blu - I'll have to see if I can find a copy and take a peek

Not a problem its an an army i've wanted to do for a longtime myself but I don't have the will to paint that much fur. Thou boils and lots of ink washes for extra gribleyness seems so cool. 
Have fun I'll be watching your progress with intrest.

I am more then open to suggestions on what you guys all think would be cool to include in the different seasons.

Spring generally seems to be more of a "wet" season.  You could add rain dropplets or puddles to the bases.  Also things are fresh, maybe some fungus which florish in the moisture.  Also moss is nice and green.  Also if you can get it to look right, bud'ing would be a cool effect.

For the fall things start to really dry out, so moss would be grey and brown and crispy.  There is generally a blanket of dead leaves on the ground.

Just some random thoughts

Thanks Seer, the water is actually a real cool idea.  You just spawned an idea that I forgot i wanted to try.  Someone posted about using epoxy for water drops a little bit ago, I might give that a go!  Ya, the fall I pretty much looked over at woodland scenics and they have some colored leaves so the leaves are in, not sure what else yet.

As far as I am concerned Wildcard you can run any list you want   Clan pestilens has always been my favorite as far as the Skaven models go.  A bunch of censur bearers leading out some plague rats is an awful force to reckon with.  Even if you win you still die

WOW... the first batch of ogres arrived today... I will have to start dissassembling them, and then convert them...
I just hope I don't break too much of the models... I'll keep you posted.

cheers

I've spent all my first month's money!!

got a great deal though - a battalion box for £39.99!!

It'll supply me with the bulk of my models and some bits as well

Corai-If u are doing a Cult theme, I would replace chariots with some sort of infantry, as subverted members of the populace would be far less unobtrusive than chariots. Also, I think some Daemons of a minor level are to be in order, as they would be required to impress the gullible masses.

Right, I think I've sussed out my army list now - and it's going to be a mammoth task to get it all painted up!  I guess I'll have to learn how to paint rats fast.

One thing I'm still unsure on is how many heroes to field.  A plague priest is certainly in (it wouldn't feel like clan pestilens without one) but should I have:

a) a second plague priest
b) a cheiftan (possibly a BSB)
c) a festering chantor (the pestilens version of a wizard)
d) no second hero and more troops instead!!

currently, I intend to go for a "horde" build - and at 750 points that means I can get 90+ models onto the battlefield (or roughly 3 times the number of models as my 2000 point ogre force - that's just MAD!)

any thoughts welcome!

at 750 points that means I can get 90+ models onto the battlefield

well that's a mdan site more than my planned 17! I've spent this month's money already but am still o the fence about what to replace chariots with. I agree with Ghworg that infantry is a way to go, I just don't really want to add infantry to an army who otherwise has an average Movement of 7 as they're just going to slow me down. I may throw in some screamers of Tzeentch though, perhaps done up as disc riders (hmm, plan forming, I'm liking this) and just invest some more points in knights!

The first unit's almost built and I hope to have some wip pics up in the cauldron soon to appeal for colour scheme advice (I'm so torn between 2!)

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Corai

Corai: could u give us a solid representation of ur theme plz? Soz if this sounds offensive, but, to me, u appear to be giving two conflicting themes: a cult list (which, generally would be mostly cheap, expendable infantry cultists, with maybe an elite bodyguard for the leader and daemonic support units) and the 'nomadic tribe' list, built for speed and hitting power. I would just like clarification, so I can supply relevant advice.

Wildcard: I reckon u should have a Festoring Chanter, cos I assume u already have cc/Ld abilities in the Plague Priest. Also, a pivotal part of a Pestilens army are Plague Rats, who not only have the fluffy ability to spread disease, but are also Swarms with Poisoned Attacks!

the theme is cult. Everything should be representative of something easily concealed or repsented within an imperial city. However I don't want to field an expedable army of cheap infantry so I'm fielding a mainly cavalry list. The army is supposed to represent a portion of the cult after it has been unveiled (kind of hard to have an army go to war covertly i nthe logic of a game or warhammer). I think the cult may well be largley interested in speed, so the fighting contingent represented by my army will be all about horses ans other more chaotic means of moveing quickly

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Corai

This may seem silly, but I have an idea that ties in both cult and speed. How about a theme in which ur army represents a messenger network connecting the many cults/Beastman tribes within the Empire, whose task is to convey information between the cults so as to help co-ordinate their efforts, so as to in the future acheive a great uprising. The secret behind this network is that it is controlled by the Change Eaters, who use the information received to aid their conquest of the Old World.

As they are fundamentaly a messenger service, the cult puts much emphasis on speed. Its couriers are mainly disatisfied highwaymen and others converted to Chaos and given a horse (these can be represented by Marauder Horsemen). Sometimes the message is of such importance that only the most dependable and elite members of the cult may carry it (these can be represented by Knights). Sometimes the missive is carried among other letters by a sympathiser in the Empire Post, on a letter-wagon (represented by a Chariot). Long-distance missives can be sent from Sorcerer to Sorcerer via Furie or Screamer, who generally bear it tattooed on their skin. Finally, for extremely important messages, bodyguards may accompany the deliverer, hulking brutes, heavily disguised in cloaks (represented by Ogres or Minotaurs).

Its a long shot, but how does this sound to u?

plague rats are very fluffy - but are yhetee-level expensive too!!  Mind you, that'd mean less painting....


I'm still working on a final list, so I'll not rule them in or out just yet.  those poisoned attacks are sounding attractive though

That's an interesting idea Ghworg. I already had a lot of the fluff pretty much hammered out, but I think I'll work this in, as it makes sense, and manages to spread the influence of the cult throughout the empire, which gives it a grander, more epic scale. Should be posting the firs chapter of fluff in the mawpit sagas in the next few days

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Corai

Thanks, glad to be of service 

Right, I've settled on my army list.  I wanted to go for a horde build as I feel that represents the skaven well, here's the list:

1   Plague Priest
   liber bubonicos
   plague censer
   
20     Plague Monks
   additional hand weapon
   deacon
   musician
   standard bearer
   
20   Plague Monks
   additional hand weapon
   deacon
   musician
   standard bearer
   
21   Clan Slaves
   
21   Clan Slaves
   
5   Plague Censer Bearers
   
5   Plague Censer Bearers

that's 93 models I'll need!

I wnated to fit the rat swarms in too, but couldn't find the points.  They'd be my next choice when expanding this force - and I'll see if I can convert some out anyway.

by comparison, the list I've settled on is:
Aspiring Champion
-Steed, Shield, Mark of Tzeentch

5 Marauder Horsemen

5 Knights of Chaos
-Mark of Tzeentch

4 Knights of Chaos
-Mark of Tzeentch
-Chosen

3 Screamers

5 Hounds of Chaos

thats 23 models...gulp

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Corai

I gotta say Wildcard I am pretty scared of that list.  I am not sure I have enough attacks to kill 93 models never mind the fact that you will be out CR'ing me by a mile

I am kinda shocked that you have less models then me Corai, those screamers make me cower just a bit.  You should paint a bullseye on the front of them

It had sprung to mind that daemons were all I had that could pose a real threat to a forest spirit! Maybe I should be looking to boost their numbers a bit ( )

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Corai

I was thinking "hmmm...fear causing ogres....fear causing forest spirits......daemons.....guess I'm going to need frenzy for ItP then!"

The second of the two packages arrived today, so I now have loads of stuff to convert.
I just thought less was painted, so I will have some more work to do, de-assembling miniatures, and stipping them. Thanx god I will convert most, and will cover most of the body with procreate (one reason more to go toward the roman theme).

My 750 pts, will have:
Bruiser: general, with GW, LA, wyrdestone necklace;
2 x3 Bulls
2 x4 IGs
It is 756 (so 6 pts over) but I don't think people will mind.

For now, I'll start working on 60 euros worth of stuff, which are the 8 IGs (2 boxes of 4, at 30 euros each) so keep posted to see more from these guys.

cheers

cheers

The second of the two packages arrived today, so I now have loads of stuff to convert.
I just thought less was painted, so I will have some more work to do, de-assembling miniatures, and stipping them. Thanx god I will convert most, and will cover most of the body with procreate (one reason more to go toward the roman theme).

My 750 pts, will have:
Bruiser: general, with GW, LA, wyrdestone necklace;
3 x2 Bulls
3 x4 IGs
It is 756 (so 6 pts over) but I don't think people will mind.

For now, I'll start working on 60 euros worth of stuff, which are the 8 IGs (2 boxes of 4, at 30 euros each) so keep posted to see more from these guys.

cheers

cheers

I don't mind a few points over - but 12 ironguts!!!    aren't they a bit pricy?? - I see that as being nearly 1000 points so far, so I'm assuming a type somewhere Ikim!

I don't mind a few points over - but 12 ironguts!!!    aren't they a bit pricy?? - I see that as being nearly 1000 points so far, so I'm assuming a type somewhere Ikim!

I was thinkign that It looks like you'd have 6 bulls and 12 ironguts, which is well beyond 750 points, I had trouble fitting 3 bulls and 9 guts into 750 poins. please tell us there's a typo in there somewhere

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Corai

OOPS!!!! you are so right!!!
I meant 2 x3 bulls and 2 x4 IGs... don't know what I was thinking.

sorry for the (huge) typo.

cheers

P.S. edited the post.

P.P.S. edited again. Thanx Kyte.


ari-cheers

well, it still says 2*4 IGs...

Thanks

 - Kyte

Sorry guys for the repeated typo... I'm actually feeling ill, these days, yet, too much work has to be done (I mean real work), and I am obbligated to go to my office anyway...

Ok, a quick update of the progress of the III Cohorte of my legionary ogres: last night, I de-assembled all the models. Luckily, the guy I bought them from used super-glue, and everything snapped off quite easily... Serena wasn't too happy, though, to hear a costant *SNAP*... *SNAP*... *SNAP*... for a whole hour, while she was falling asleep in front of the TV.

I have decided how to convert every single unit, and what type of armour to make. I will try to be a stricked to history as possible.

At first, I was thinking of using the 2 metal butcher models as my vestal/butchers, all covered in toga, with added long hair, but I thought I might be better off selling those models, and using ordinary bull bodies or selfsculpting them.
To make them more gory, and less "damsel of the lake-style" I was thinking of putting a liver in one of their hands, and a knife in the other, with a dead animal at her feet, since liver was used by aurispices to predict the future and to make animal sacrifices to the gods.
I know vestal are more Greek than Roman, but they fit the theme anyway.

cheers

I like that Idea for the butchers - with somke kind of sacraficial dagger it'd look great - good thinking!

I hope you feel better soon, as a teacher I know exactly what you mean about not taking time off

A little on my own progress:

My cheap battallion box showed up and I've assembled a unit of plague monks ready for undercoating.  I guess I need the practise on assembling units of 20+

I'll be assembling the clan slaves from the rest of the box (rather than clanrats) by using the cheaper-looking weapon options and no shields - I'll toss the occasional spear in for variety. 

I've been looking around on the web for images of diseases (ah, the fun I have....) and have been getting some ideas for what I'm going to do to the slaves....  but that's for my article at the end of the month.

It's ok Ikim, the flogging will ensue in 10 .... 9 .... 8 .... 7 .... 6 .... (kidding!)

I really like the dagger idea as well and think it would fit with the historical theme.

Wildcard I feel your pain man.  Who knew that all these little trees had such tiny parts... I have glued my fingers together about 5 times now and I have only assembeld 4 models so far!

@ Wildcard
Have you seen Owen Rees plague rats on the uk GW site?
He has some good ideas about mixing body parts up on the plague monks.
I think there in the conversion clinic part of the site.

I have gathered a lot of pics and reference for my Roman legionary ogres, and everything is planned and clear (not only in my mind, but on paper too).
I am uncertain about two main issues:
1-the maneaters: on the looks point of view, having them look like gladiators is awsome and very nice looking, but this is a fluffy army, and gladiators, in a roman legion don't really fit; yet, they will break the all military look of the army, which is good for the eye... I am beat.

2-I am also beat in regards of the Bull Rhinox rider. I was thinking that having a BRR looking like Maximus (at the beginning of the movie "The Gladiator") yelling: "on my signal, unleash hell" on a barded horse/rhinox, with wolf fur on his shoulders, would be stunning;
yet, having an ogre on chariot pulled by 2 baby rhinoxes is also quite a nice idea...

Which one would you prefer?


cheers

I'd lean towards the chariot look. It's a bt more roman typical imagery IMO and you don't see too many ogre chariots!

On my own progress, I've started to work out the fluff and posted the preliminary chapter i nthe maawpit sagas. My first unit is nearing painting completion too (5 models, it just seems like so many!)

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Corai

AAAARGH!!! Corai has almost finished a whole unit, and I still have to begin building my own minis... and I have 8 ogres to do...

Will I make it in time, for the 1st of April?

Who'll live, will know.

anyhow, last night, I tried a test model, to see if I could sculpt a roman helmet... and it seems like I mastered it.
Here are the result (sorry for the poor pic quality: they were taken this morning, before I went in my office; and the putty is actually smoother than it looks, though still needs cleaning up):





cheers

wow, it looks really nice mate. Are all the lads going to get one of these or are they going to be reserved for unit leaders/ironguts etc?

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Corai

wow, it looks really nice mate. Are all the lads going to get one of these or are they going to be reserved for unit leaders/ironguts etc?

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Corai

It will be quite a complex army:

IGs will have: helmet with vertical crest (like the one shown above), tower shield, lance-like GW, armour; cape; leg pads-armour

Bulls will have: armour, leg pads-armour and gladio (small sword) (no helmet)

the armour will be this:


Tyrant/centurion: will have helmet (with horizontal crest), body armour (shaped like a naked body, with 3D decorations), skirt-like armour, long cape.

BSB will be modeled like an aquilifer, with lion head and fur over his shoulders.

The point is that all ogres are the same; what distinguishes them is the armour, and the details, since, as you can see, the more important the ogre is, the more detail he has.


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sounds like a good plan. Are you going to sculpt on the armour pictuired above or use plasticard to keep it smooth and flat? Looking forward to seeing the first few ogres come together

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Corai

I'll be assembling the clan slaves from the rest of the box (rather than clanrats) by using the cheaper-looking weapon options and no shields - I'll toss the occasional spear in for variety.

One thing you could do as well, is use the p-monks sticks as weapons on the slaves, I´m going to do that on my slaves. I think it´s fitting skaven trust noone and the slaves are there to die anyways, so maybe they wouldn´t give their slaves real weapons. It´s also becouse you get a least one annoyingly big hand less.

cheers

sounds like a good plan. Are you going to sculpt on the armour pictuired above or use plasticard to keep it smooth and flat? Looking forward to seeing the first few ogres come together

cheers
Corai

I will sculpt the armour with putty: apart the fact that plasticard is hard to recover here in Itayl, and I would have to order it from abroad, it will be a hell to model on rigid surfaces, without looking funny and bulky.
I'll do it with provreate, in 40-60%.

Pics of the test model today (hopefully).

cheers

One thing you could do as well, is use the p-monks sticks as weapons on the slaves, I´m going to do that on my slaves. I think it´s fitting skaven trust noone and the slaves are there to die anyways, so maybe they wouldn´t give their slaves real weapons. It´s also becouse you get a least one annoyingly big hand less.

cheers

that's a good idea - thanks Bull!

I will sculpt the armour with putty: apart the fact that plasticard is hard to recover here in Itayl, and I would have to order it from abroad, it will be a hell to model on rigid surfaces, without looking funny and bulky.
I'll do it with provreate, in 40-60%.

Pics of the test model today (hopefully).

cool looking forward to the test pics

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Corai

well, I figured I should probably post these here for a sense of completness. These are my wip cultist/marauder horsemen. I posted them in my gnoblog to get some painting advice but I think I'm going to hold off on showing the painted minis until the end of the month in the article:



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Corai

You´ve really improved your sculpting I think Corai, very nice models.

BTW is that grey(?) stuff you use, is it better/easier than green stuff or is just the same?

I feel bad as I am the total slacker here   I have put together 4 guys so far tho   I really like the head there Ikim and the shots of the armor, can't wait to see how they turn out.  I love the conversions on your riders Corai, they look awesome!

those cultist riders are great!  I can't wait to see them painted up.

I'll be assembling and converting this month - It'll take that long to get the first 62 models done!  Painting will come later

BTW is that grey(?) stuff you use, is it better/easier than green stuff or is just the same?

The grey stuff (procreate) is better at some things, but not so god at others I find. The ability to vary the mix to create different properties is a great bonus but I still find Green Stuff better than Grey for things with lots of detail like fur and chainmail, whilst grey stuff is amazingly easy to smooth out, and a lighter grey mix makes sharp edges much more viable than green. Overall, I think it's great stuff, and on the whole better to use than GS, but I'd still keep sopme of the classic green stuff arouns for certain details

Thanks for the complements guys

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Corai

I am moving along quite fast, today... and my photos don't keep my sculpting pace (which is quite good). In this post you'll see pics of the armour WIP, but, after I took pics, I sculpted the shoulder pads, and, as soon as these dry, I will sculpt the cape, so expect more pics tonight:






cheers

wow, it's looking great. the armour looks nice and the pose works really well with the head. Can't wait to see the shoulders and capes, these guys look like theyre going to be ace

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Corai

I've added the first few bits of fluff for the Church of the Broken Sword in the Maw pit Sagas. The second installment's now up:

http://www.ogrestronghold.com/forum/index.php?topic=4239.0

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Corai

I am updating this as I get along.
I have finished the shoulders, and added the cape.
I have also added the knee pads, but I droped the idea for two reasons: 1.they are not really needed, and adding that much detail, in a "normal" trooper takes too long; 2.they don't look too fitting, after all, and might break the whole look.

The model is finished, now, apart the shield and the weapon.
I will make the bent, tower shields, from onw of those huge vitami jars: I will cut the plastic, which is already bent, and add a gut plate in the center (so to keep the ogreish look).
As for the weapon, I will give him a lance, with a big blade on top, so it is a lance, but still great-weapon looking.

All in all, the model took me about 60 minutes to modify (not counting putty resting time) (20 minutes for the helmet; 30 minutes for the armour; 10 minutes for the cape), so, in about 7 hours, I should be able to modify the IGs of both units... I really have got to get me a dey off work...


cheers

cheers

wow, those are amazing results for such quick work, it took me the better part of a week to do my marauder riders!

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Corai

Here is the finished test model: the head and the shield are not attached yet:








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Lookin good man, lookin good!

Great stuff there guys!

Corai, the riders look great! Of course we want to see painted pics now, but it's better to wait till they're all together in the article. I really like their bases and your fluff for them.

Ikim, great job on the armor! As a big fan of Roman stuff in general, you've done an amazing job. I like the gut-plate buckler on the tower shield.

Overall I have to say, this little project is getting all the coolness of the WD ToFG going again! I can't wait to see this month's article.

(On a slightly different note, I'd love to participate in the next. I'd be attending the Chicago GT.)

Vincenti

*closes mouth after jaw has dropped on the floor*

That is very good consiglieri
That is a very inspiring roman soldier.

Yeah he´s looking great, I bet it´s gonna be one great looking army when they´re all finnished and painted. Looking forward to see all of these four armys develop.

cheers

Great looking ogre Ikim! I know you pretty much have everything planned out, but I do have 2 small suggestions ot bear in mind

1 - the gut plate buckler on the shiled looks excellant but my dim memory of romans from high school history seems to recall them stomeimes having a spike in the iddle of the shield. Is this right? IIf aso, some of the iron gut gut plates would look even better

2 - have you thought about giving him one of those loincloth style things (ah my ignorance of roman imagery and history is crippling!) I think they're strips of studded leather which hung down over the roman's kilts

Anyways, excellant test mini, looking forward to your first article!

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Corai

@Corai: I thought about adding the leather strips, but that is something I'll do later on, when both units are done, since I want to finish them in a whole, first.
As per the "spike in the middle of he shield", I have seen both versions: with and without. I have some left over IG gutplates, and I'll try to add those next time.
thanx for the tip.

I am glad you like it.

Last night, after I posted these pics, Serena went to bed, and I worked on more helmets. In an hour, whatching Dr.House M.D. (great show, BTW) I did 3 of them, so the heads of a whole unit are done.


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Absolutely fantastic model Ikim. I assume he's a Triarii, 'cos he has a spear!

@Ghworg: I am glad you like the model... today i built the second model of the unit, and tomorrow I will try to finish the unit, building the other 2.
i will have to go buy some cobles-stone platicard, at a store near my house, since I will have them walk on roman-like roads.

As per the triarii (triarius is the singular form, being a word of the 2nd declination) were soldiers with a specific role: they were placed in third line (that is why they are called Triarius, as per third), behind the Hastati and Principes, who were usually equipped with javelins.
Triarii were, in fact, equiped with a lancia, gladio and scuta (shield), and were the bulk of the CC Roman Legion (just like our IGs).

Cheers

I assume u are going with a Republican Roman legion, rather than Imperial. In that case, could u convert some Gnoblars to look like Velites? 'cos that'd look great  .

It will in fact be a cohorte of the SPQR Legion. I am not planning any gnoblars, but only to avoid painting awful and pesky minis. In case I change my mind, light infantry, with shields and leather armour, velites would be a cool idea.

cheers

Ok, first unit finished, one to go (for this month).
here are pics of the single troopers:





and here are pics of the whole unit, from multiple angles:





thoughts?


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thoughts?

Awesome. If the rest of the armies up to this standard you'll have another amazing ogre force. The lengthing of the legs was a particulalry good idea and helps the other conversions feel more natural and less like an ogre on halloween!

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Corai

Top stuff ikim, very nice indeed!

Simply amazing Ikim. The helmets look great, the capes are natural, and I really like the infusion of Ogre bits in the Spears and Shields. The leg-lengthening probably makes them a bit taller than a standard Ogre - care to show a size comparison?

One question - for the "Praetorian"-style banner, why use plain wooden shields, and not gut-plates? It looks great - don't get me wrong - I just find that curious.

I'm really looking forward to the final article, guys.

Vincenti

another little update:



I've been working o nthis test for about a week on and off. It's an experiment to see if I can make a woodelf steed into a better chaos steed, or if I should just get the regular model.

any thoughts?

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Corai

Nice one, Corai, I especially like the chain mail. Yet, I have found out using plasticard for plate armour make the armour too thick and "unrealistic", since it is quite hard to make it adhere to the mini, properly, and that is the reason I did my pretorian armour with putty, instead of plasticard.

Anyway, the horse looks like a chaos steed, indeed, yet, to make it look like it could actually be St4, I would add more spikes, here and there.
Good job, man, looking forward to seeing the project evolving.

cheers

thanks, yeah the plasticard turned out to be a nightmare to work with. It took more than a few attempts and sketchy recollections of high school technology to work out what shape to cut the arnmour to make it fit how I wanted. I may try just using procreate to do the armour on another one

thanks
Corai

You asked for a size comparison, and here it is:


The black body you see is a stripped Empire ME, I will use as general. I think I will have to raise hiim up a bit too, don't you think?

BTW, I was thinking to drop the idea of doing, for this month, the second unit of pretorians/IGs, but starting, instead, on the general... What do you guys think would be best?

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wow, those boys really are beefy. I think the general definaltey needs bulking up to order them around. As for the models, it's up to you really. If you think doing another unit of praetorians would run the risk of being too samey then break it up wit hthe general, but getting the bulk of the units out of the way allows you to spend more time on your general. (so I was no help there at al then!)

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Corai

Settled: I'll continue with the pretorian IGs... I agree with you, Corai: it is better to get rid of the main units, first.

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that should make for an interesting read - I'll look forward to those!   I'm going to be mastering y speed-painting methinks - 93 models to do will mean I'll ahve to develop some new techniques that, with ogres, I haven't had to use.  I'm starting them later this week

Wow, I'll looking forward to reading your casting tutorial. You tube is full of videos showing casting and moulding, but they all require skills and equipment I don't have and don't want to buy (my wife would kill me if I brought those chemical substances home).
Though, I found a casting service, that makes the cast for you, and you make all the moulds you want using metal cheaply bought on e-bay.

I am running a little short on time, but I'll try to paint the III cohorte by the end of the month.

cheers

New chapter added to the fluff. a bit cheesy really but a bit of fun:
http://www.ogrestronghold.com/forum/index.php?topic=4239.0

Thanks
Corai

Father Grigori sounds good Corai. And as for the tutorial, it looks like u'll have yet another pet Gnobbo to add to ur ever-increasing horde.

I've pretty much finished Grigori's steed. When the GS dry's I'll out it in a rearing up stage and start working on grigori himself. I took Ikim's original advice of sculpting the barding plates instead of using plasticard this time. I much prefer the results this time (Ikim, you were so right!) but know I'd never have had the time to do this for the other 4 knights as well, it's tkane me ages to do just this one!




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Corai

WOW!!!!

that is AWSOME!!!! the banners on the armour are marvelous, and the armour plates are sharp they way they should be.

great job!!!

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Top draw sculpting as ever Corai well done the plate looks good but I actually prefer the plasti card ones as they had a more other world'ly design with there very uniform look to them.

Again well done mate and keep it up

Blu Blu.

Do you guys think it's worth adding some scroll work to the front of thre barding to match the rear? I'd thought about sculpting the tzeentch rune, but its a little unsubtle for a cult horse I think (even one which periodically turns blue

Thanks guys
Corai

Maybe just the broken sword symbol across the front would look smart.

Blu Blu.

Maybe just the broken sword symbol across the front would look smart.

I had thought of that, but it won't fit running straight down, I'd need to have the sword landscape and almost wrapped around the front section of the armour. Do you think this might work?

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Corai

Maybe just the broken sword symbol across the front would look smart.

I had thought of that, but it won't fit running straight down, I'd need to have the sword landscape and almost wrapped around the front section of the armour. Do you think this might work?

Thanks
Corai

I take your point theres not much room on the front plate to have it vertical, in my mind I had it horizotal, Well thats how I had it pictured in my mind so yes it should work.  
Another idea I had was for banner designs in your army with the twin tailed comet broken by a sword or the hammer sybol run through with the sword.

Just some thoughts mate

Blu Blu.

maybe, a scroll in the front, just under the neck... that would look great.

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In the end I've gone for both! the front of the barding plates has a scroll wrapped around it and the head plate has a broken sword running verticlly down the middle. I couldn't get any decent photos of it though, hopefully it'll be more evident when painted.

Thakns
Corai

The pavement has arrived... I thought it was going to be a bit more textured, but all in all, it look very good and Roman-ish.

Now I'll have to start painting the minis...


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Just to say, does anyone know when Jestor is going to post his article up?

Never!

Vincenti

Just to say, does anyone know when Jestor is going to post his article up?

He hasn't been seen for the past 2 weeks, so we suppose he's having connection problems....

We'll wait and see...

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Corai and Ikim's part 3 articles can be found here:
http://ogrestronghold.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=168&Itemid=30

and here:
http://ogrestronghold.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=169&Itemid=30

Do we only get 2 articles this month?

I'm afraid that, due to life stuff, I can't add an article this month - I am still pressing on with the skaven however, so be prepared for a double-edition update next time

Will the next articles be ready soon,
because I Can't wait to see them.

-Arante

I must ask, when are the next articles coming, as this great series seems to have been a bit stymied.