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Ogres May select up to 5 choices from the pool below:
● Ironblaster 1 choice (second 3 choices) ● Hellheart 2 choices ● Crown of command 1 choice ● Runemaw 1 choice ● 1 or more Slaughtermasters in the army, including Skragg 2 choices ● Each unit of gnoblars after the third 1 choice
May take any Ogres Special Characters
Additional restrictions:
Units cannot be more than 450 points at the point of roster creation. This does not apply to characters.
All army sizes are 2400 points unless stated otherwise in race specific composition below.
Armies must be constructed on the following basis (in addition to any specific conditions imposed by their army book)
● Minimum of 3 units ● Minimum of 1 character that can be the army general ● Maximum of 50% of points spent on lords ● Maximum of 50% of points spent on heroes ● Minimum of 25% of points spent on core units ● Maximum of 50% of points spent on special units ● Maximum of 25% of points spent on rare choices
For me, this means an immediate change is dropping Rune Maw. Ironblaster, Hellheart, CoC and Slaughtermaster put me at 5 points.
Thankfully, Dispel Scroll isn't comped in this draft.
Thoughts? Ideas on lists?
hmjesus04 Feb 2015
Looks like you can't get double ironblaster and a Slaughtermaster, at least how I read it.
IB #1 - 1 choice IB #2 - 3 choices SM - 2 Choices
Putting you 1 choice over the limit.
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hivemind04 Feb 2015
Yeah you can do double IB + CoC or Rune Maw, that's it.
Constant comping of IB has me looking at Scraplauncher...
grey templar05 Feb 2015
Why is a Slaughtermaster 2 choices?
Its not like we're magic phase power houses.
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theviking05 Feb 2015
ETC has a thing against lore of death and slaughtermasters can take death, so...
From what I can tell ETC comp has two objectives: Attempt to control power builds, and break up the common "net list" builds. My guess is that they felt too many lists took a slaughtermaster last year so this year they feel the need to push players in other directions.
So they want to see a double firebelly, tyrant list then. If they don't like death magic, then explicitly restrict that choice. Instead they want to get at that in a round-about way.
hivemind05 Feb 2015
Realize now that my reading comprehension is bad, and I can't take my list. I have to decide if I want a Hellheart or a Slaughtermaster.
I'm leaning towards replacing the Slaughtermaster with two Butchers and keeping the Hellheart, so I'd be fielding:
Maybe I want Tyrant, Bruiser BSB, Butcher and Firebelly?
Ambush06 Feb 2015
First I'll tell you what I think about your list: I liked the idea of Ironguts core at first, however I think you are putting all 4 characters in the x9 group I think you absolutely must take Runemaw with that unit, or it is going down hard.
If you take Tyrant on the otherhand, I think that Ironguts aren't a good core choice, since High Leadership of the Tyrant is useless in a Standard of disc Ironguts group. If you want to run Tyrant, I think you are looking at more like 9 bulls x4 guts x3 bulls or 12 bulls x3 bulls x3 bulls as core.
Hivemind after looking at the topic I decided to think of a ETC list myself and it looks something like this:
The SM build here looks really strange, however I've posted the list like this, since I feel Scroll of Shielding +Ironcurse plus having two big core groups lets me deal with magic threats to core.
Thanks for reading and until next time... Stay hungry!
marcopollo06 Feb 2015
First I'll tell you what I think about your list: I liked the idea of Ironguts core at first, however I think you are putting all 4 characters in the x9 group I think you absolutely must take Runemaw with that unit, or it is going down hard.
If you take Tyrant on the otherhand, I think that Ironguts aren't a good core choice, since High Leadership of the Tyrant is useless in a Standard of disc Ironguts group. If you want to run Tyrant, I think you are looking at more like 9 bulls x4 guts x3 bulls or 12 bulls x3 bulls x3 bulls as core.
Hivemind after looking at the topic I decided to think of a ETC list myself and it looks something like this:
385 Slaughter Master -Level 4 Wizard -Great Weapon -Talisman of Preservation -Ironcurse Icon -Dispell Scroll -Scroll of Shielding
180 Bruiser -BSB -Dragon Helm -Enchanted Shield -Armor of Fortune
172 Firebelly -Hand Weapon -Hellheart
188 Butcher (Alternative to Firebelly for Lore of beasts / Maw) -Level 2 -Hellheart -Ironfist
The SM build here looks really strange, however I've posted the list like this, since I feel Scroll of Shielding +Ironcurse plus having two big core groups lets me deal with magic threats to core.
You have some illegal builds on your bruiser and slaughtermaster. You can't have 2 arcane items on one character and you can't have 2 magic armor items on the same character.
Ambush06 Feb 2015
Sorry about the mistakes, I'll go edit it and I'll post the changes here as well.
Slaughtermaster -Scroll of Shielding
Bruiser - Armor of Fortune - Shield +Ironfist +Heavy Armor +Talisman of Endurance
+1 Sabertusk
Thanks for reading and until next time... Stay hungry!
Goztek07 Feb 2015
I am also playing etc with different list. I am running a bull star and alot of little units for having more redirectors then oponent. with full command on main unit only the tyrant is armed the rest I just put in a gw and stick them in thebsecond rank. I am not running a cannon because with a good charge any monster will die with impact hits if not the s6 and 7 works just fine. apart from that I use grut sickle as I find it devastating. having an sm that can cast all maw spells with 2 dice with casting of plus 6/7 is great. stick a runemaw and nobody will beat you unless you face the new stomfiends
Minigiant22 Feb 2015
I have been thinking about this a lot recently as i have the chance to attend an ETC comp event in a couple months. I really do feel that double Ironblaster is the way forward with Tyrant and Dual Firebellies. Then that leave me with 1 more available slot and as Dispel scroll is not comped, it opens up possibilities. The only two remaining comp things i could possibly take is either a Runemaw or crown of command and i am leaning more to the later.
Is anyone else thinking like this?
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hivemind22 Feb 2015
That just really seems like you're not going to be able to do anything in Magic. You're basically conceding that entire phase of the game if you don't bring a LVL4 Slaughtermaster. Unless you bring a Dispel Scroll, Rune Maw, AND a Hellheart, I don't feel comfortable not having a Slaughtermaster.
Minigiant22 Feb 2015
People have had success with dual firebellies. Firebellies are great against elves And if this ETC is anything like older editions then Magic is comped to in number of dice you can get/use etc
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Tyrant Grix23 Mar 2015
Ogres May select up to 5 choices from the pool below: ● Ironblaster 1 choice (second 3 choices) ● Hellheart 2 choices ● Crown of command 1 choice ● Runemaw 1 choice ● 1 or more Slaughtermasters in the army, including Skragg 1choice ● Each unit of gnoblars after the third 1 choice May take any Ogres Special Characters
Is it my understanding that if you take 2 Ironblasters that is 4 pool choices? Am I reading that correctly?
LawGnome24 Mar 2015
Is it my understanding that if you take 2 Ironblasters that is 4 pool choices? Am I reading that correctly?
Yeah, it looks like they REALLY don't want double ironblasters showing up.
Gutlord Inquisitor24 Mar 2015
Hey at least you still get 1 choice. Two skullcannon cost you all your daemon slots.
You can get two ironblasters and still get a solid build. Tyrant and firebellies plus rune maw for starters.
Snarkhunter24 Mar 2015
That just really seems like you're not going to be able to do anything in Magic. You're basically conceding that entire phase of the game if you don't bring a LVL4 Slaughtermaster. Unless you bring a Dispel Scroll, Rune Maw, AND a Hellheart, I don't feel comfortable not having a Slaughtermaster.
I really disagree with this whole statement.
I've had great success (two 2nd place Overall Finishes at major GTs of over 60 players each, and a 13th place in the US Masters) using a Tyrant+2 (or more) firebellies - with only a dispel scroll and hellheart. With those two items I can reliably shut down two of my opponent's magic phases. With kindleflame, I am usually casting like a Lvl 4. Except that I have better LD (tyrant), better combat (tyrant + two breath weapons), and a BSB that is useful in combat (I like GW+HA+Dragonhelm+Crown, although depending on comp I might go with GW+AoD).
Double Firebelly is very competitive in uncomped environments too (one of my 2nd Overall finishes was uncomped), but it really shines in comp - because most comp packs underestimate it. Double Firebelly dominates the magic phase in a way that usually surprises my opponents.
I'm not proclaiming it the best build for ogres (but it is seriously competitive) - but I am disputing that a Lvl 4 is required to play in the magic phase or that you need the runemaw+hellheart+scroll if you don't take a Lvl 4.
I have an ETC event coming up at the end of May. I'll post my list for it as we get closer (but here's a hint: Double Firebelly+Hellheart+Scroll+IB+Crown). Heh, I'm guessing many of you already could have guessed that...
-Snark
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Raslon24 Mar 2015
Are those etc draft updated version? Mine slightly different?
Raslon24 Mar 2015
In mine the second ironblaster are 4 points but sm is "only" 1 point
Raslon24 Mar 2015
And Crown of command is 2
Gutlord Inquisitor24 Mar 2015
I'd like to add to Snark that running multiple butchers works. I've never been a huge fan of firebellies -- but I've played Snark and he uses them to great effect. But multiple butchers can work well. Even just a couple of level 2s can be enough. I've run no-slaughtermaster lists under ETC comp before and done well. (If you're interested -- here's a discussion of my list at a team event that I got 2nd highest battle. It's a few years old so take with a pinch of salt as the meta has changed since then).
Ogres have the best anti-magic in the game. You don't need level 4s to push spells through (and there are plenty of items like power stones or forbidden rod to help).
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May select up to 5 choices from the pool below: ● Ironblaster 1 choice (second 3 choices) ● Hellheart 2 choices ● Crown of command 1 choice ● Runemaw 1 choice ● 1 or more Slaughtermasters in the army, including Skragg 1 choice ● Each unit of gnoblars after the third 1 choice May take any Ogres Special Characters
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