Scrapping the scrap launcher.

Does the 3 (3) strength attack get the multiple wounds rule for the centre of the template as per the stone thrower rules?

Nope, you only get what's listed in the weapon's profile, in this case lots of S3 and killing blow.

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So a character would only need to worry about 1 chance to killing blow?

Don't have my rulebook handy, but I thought the scraplaunch was d3 wounds under the center hole? Nope, what I get for trying to remember the statline of a unit I never use.

The character would always only worry about once chance for a killing blow if it is d3 wounds. You roll to wound, any save attempts are made, if the wound is successful it then gets multiplied.

If the character is affected by killing blow, and fails his ward saves, the d3 wounds would be irrelevant

If the character is affected by killing blow, and fails his ward saves, the d3 wounds would be irrelevant

Yeah, there's no multi-wounds to the profile. The scraplauncher's only somewhat good at killing large blocks of infantry. Which is something that we have going for us already in the form of MFC, Leadbelchers, gutstars, etc... Scraplaunchers aren't really a great choice anymore, especially since they took away the large template. Had they kept that in, I think it'd be more interesting to play with. But, oh well, c'est la vie

The scrap launcher is completely redundant now I think.

Any job the Scrappy is good for with it's ranged weapon can be done better by a medium unit of normal ogres probably. (not even mentioning MF or LB)

And if you want a Rhinox pulled chariot, well...  that's what the Ironblaster is for when (not if ) the cannon breaks.

I think they still have a place, as you said it's a T5 rhinox chariot and the template is decent against things that we often struggle against: witch elves, zombie blocks, halberdiers, etc. I don't think it belongs in every list, but neither do I think it ought to be written off as a whole.

Next to being a lovely model, it helped me a lot of times killing heavy armoured knights, at least reducing their few ranks. For me it's a perfect supporting unit as I play 2250 and love to bring different rare choices instead of two ironblasters.

I have killed 2 vamp characters outright using this bad boy!  It was total fluuk rolled a hit directly on their heads and then 2 x 6's!  He had no wards on them   Remember killing blow denies regen as well!  Won me that game.  It was funny because he moved the characters out to stop a unit of my yhetees charging a spirit host.  So I shot them instead.  Had he kept them in the large unit of ghouls never would have happen.

Either way I think they do have their place.  Like any warmachine sometimes they do really well and sometimes they just don't!  We all know what those blow up in turn 1 Ironblasters look like don't we! 

Kind regards Zolas.

Ol' Scrappy is pretty good against High and Dark Elves.  Works a treat on cavalry buses and White Lion death stars.

Can we alter the strength of the hit through spells?

Soz no BrB in front of me eeeek!

I don't believe so. You can make it S6 with wildform but it still makes a S3 shot. Same for any unit with a ranged weapon, unless it keys off the models strength (thrown weapons for example) it will use the weapon's profile regardless of the model's strength.

You can give it +1 to wound from one of the fire spells but I think that is the only way to do it.  (Flaming sword of ruin if I recall.  It works on ranged weapons).

Kind regards Zolas.

Cheers for all the replies guys.

I understand the reluctance to take them now the template is smaller.
However in an all comers list, there is a place for KB S3 templates....surely? Especially for 130 points.

I am thinking of a shooty list with all 4 warmachines for 2.4k.
Bearing in mind that comp usually favours them as a 'soft' choice, that is worth points too?

And as Zolas posted, if we run firebelly/ies, that +1 to wound is really tasty on a KB warmachine??  (Does the +1 to wound change the KB roll as well?).

And as Zolas posted, if we run firebelly/ies, that +1 to wound is really tasty on a KB warmachine??  (Does the +1 to wound change the KB roll as well?).

No it wont sadly it will just make it easier for "normal wounds".  Killing blow still only activates on a roll of a 6.

Kind regards Zolas.

I didn't (and still don't) understand why they made it a smaller template and higher S attack... but it's still worth looking at I think. Just overshadowed by the Ogre shooting a giant cannon on a Rhinox instead.