Tenderiser and Gorgers

First off, is there anyone who regularly uses something other than the Tenderiser with their Tyrant? When I first started playing OK, I wanted to try something different, but the Tenderiser is so obviously the best choice (or, perhaps, all of the other weapon options are too expensive for what they do or not worth taking) that I have a hard time rationalizing anything other than a plain, old GW if I really want to save points. And it's not just for challenges. I surprised my Beastman opponent last night when he was sure that he was keeping his Dragon Ogres out of my Ironguts' charge range. And he was. They just weren't out of the Longstrider Tyrant's charge range who dealt out 7 wounds with the Tenderiser, broke them, and let them run off the table. What changes would people make to the other weapon options to make something at least a consideration as opposed to the Big T?

I've really veered away from Gorgers, recently. Of course, part of that has to do with playing against Beastmen fairly often, where a Slavegiant is simply so much more useful from an Ld perspective than the Gorger is. However, Gorgers are really only good against war machines and smaller, man-sized units in my experience. They perform adequately in holding larger units in place for a couple turns since they're Unbreakable, but I'm often finding them to be underwhelming. Perhaps I just need to change their arrival locations a bit more, since I almost always default to the opposite table edge.

I'll do them in order:

1) Against 1 wound targets where you don't get into a challenge, the tenderiser tends to do no more than a normal great weapon, but costs a lot more and takes up item quota points you could have spent on something more useful. In contrast, the Siegebreaker is better against heavily armoured troopers than the Tenderizer is, and costs less. Against whimpier foes then the Sword of Might is also good.

2) Gorgers are indeed not especially useful against Beastmen and other forces that come towards you and have no war machines. For me, which Rare choice(s) I use are the things I change most in my army as they are rather specialised and not as all-round as the Core and Special units.

I rarely use the tenderizer anymore.  I find that it rarely, if ever, makes it's points back.  Alot of times it's just a regular great weapon or the Siegebreaker.  Most people who have played against OK before know better then to challenge or accept a challenge from a Tyrant. 

As far as gorgers go?  They are neat.  I play with em to have a good time and laugh when my opponent gets scared that they are coming in through the back door.  They have alot of bonuses but, in general, by the time they come in, my units are all in CC anyways.

I've recently found that everyone thinks my tyrant has the tenderiser anyway - whether I've actually taken it or not!  This allows me to take a normal GW more often.  However, since I tend to make lsits that are not foe-specific, I tend to always take the "T" as a default position.

With gorgers, it depends what you want from them - against some armies I've had tehm come on from table edges to interfere with cavalry units creeping around my flanks - just holding them for a turn can make a big difference.  They probably only make their points back in kills about half the time I use them, but psychologically they are a winner every game.

I wouldn't leave home without the Big T (like that name ), there something in almost every army that is REALLY hurt by it:

- WE - treekin and treemen HATE the Big T with a passion, since it also negates their ward save
- lizardmen - kroxies, steg & slann
- beasts - giant, minotaurs, dragon ogres, spawn
- mortals - spawn, dragons
- vamps - they have to hide their vamp!!!
- empire - steam tank
- demons - demonic cavalry
- brets - usually don't decline challenges to not loose blessing
- o&g - giant, trolls
- DE - manticore, dragon, hydra

And as regards declininig a challenge: if a powerful charakter would rather decline and be sent to the back ranks, denying his leadership and combat prowess, I'm also happy.

Plus, keep in mind the Big T doesn't cost 50 points - it's actually less since you don't pay for the normal GW.

I just find the Big T just puts much needed pressure on most opponents, making sure they keep on their toes and don't go whereever they feel like. I honestly don't know what I would do without against a tree-heavy WE army ...

Cheers, Mutter

I am a huge fan of the siegebreaker, and use it about as much as the tenderiser.
Giants to, I always try to squeeze one in. Giants are simply more fun.

Giants to, I always try to squeeze one in. Giants are simply more fun.

Agreed, I've got a few gorgers for when I think I may need them, but whenever I get the chance I like to ield my giant, i's just wall to wall fun! As for the tnederizer, if I'm playing 2k points, my tyrant gets it every time, it's just too useful. OIn under 2k though, I like to opt for the cheaper siege breaker on my butcher because I can still afford the weirdstone necklace that way. I've found the tenderizer to be better though in the long run. The Bruiser/Tyrant have relativel yhigh WS and it's often wasted with the tenderizer agaisnt the many (many) elves and Slaanesh armies in my area!

Thanks
Corai

I usualy use the siegebreaker on my tyrant.

Gorgers rock! do not underestimate there T5 w4 unbreakablness.