1200p Border Patrol list for a local tournament

Hi everyone! I have been away for a while from forum, but been playing still a lot. Battle reports have been not made, but I did also play a few tournaments earlier this year.

So, this Border Patrol is 3 weeks away and I have tested my list below 4 times (against HE, DE, VC and DoC). The list works well, only played draw agaist DoC. Other games were major victories. I assume, that most armies wont have BSB on in their roster in this tournament, but I still have mine. Should I take firebelly instead, or a two maneaters? Something else. Lvl 2 maw butcher has been worth every point Since the composition of the tournament do not allow any of the 6th spells of all lores to be taken, chances to get trollguts and/or the toothcracker are good. Those spells really make this list strong. BSB has not been the game changer so far.

Butcher
General, lvl 2 maw, ironfist
138p

Bruiser
Bsb, heavy armour, ironfist
138p

6 bulls
Ironfists, bellower
202p

6 Iron guts
Standard, bellower, look-out gnoblar, standard of discipline
298p

Sabretusk
21p

3 Mournfang cavalry
Heavy armour, ironfists, bellower
190p

3 Man eaters
Standard, bellower, brace of ogre pistols, cleaming pennant, poison, sniper
211p

1198p


Just for the record and to help commenting composition does not allow more than 6 models in a monstrous infantryunit, not more then 3 in a monstrous cavalryunit and only 25p can be spend on magic items, marks, runes,.. for a one model/unit. Also IB is not an option, since single model (does not consider characters, lords are not allowed by the way) may only cost 140p.

How about this one? You think this would be more competetive than the one above?

Firebelly
General, lvl 1 fire, additional handweapon
122p
Bruiser
Bsb, heavy armour, ironfist
138p
10 gnoblars
25p
6 Iron guts
Standard, bellower, look-out gnoblar, standard of discipline
298p
Sabretusk
21p
3 leadbelchers
132p
3 Mournfang cavalry
Heavy armour, ironfists, bellower
190p
4 Maneaters
Poison, sniper, brace of ogrepistols, bellower, heavy armour
274p

1200p

Sorry nobody got back to you sooner... Hadn't seen this post before
 
Anyway... I like the second list better. I don't like the limitations placed on our units. It really hurts ogres
Personally I would take some more leadies but other than that I wouldn't/couldn't change the list at all
 
On the other hand I would maybe run ME's with stubborn, Scout AHW to really ruin someone's day
If you ran that set up I would drop the leadies and bulk out the ME's. They will tear through his flanks and force him to change battle plans on the spot. Which puts you at an advantage on T1!
 
Chris

If this is for a tournament, then list two. Those firebelly attacks will come in handy against anything with regeneration. On the other hand will anything of great power and regeneration be allowed? Trolls however. If you want to really just hurt the enemy then take mcsheehy's advice. Plus the firebelly is a guaranteed damager and is more reliable. Even with the increased odds of getting troll guts or toothcracker, you could still not get either and it could ruin a battle. At least with the belly, you can always resort to fireball. Good luck in future wars and hope this was moderately helpful.

Thank you for your opinions Sorry for giving so little info about the composition.

Composition of this tournament is sadly so, that only 6 MI models per unit is the max cap. Also 300p is the max cap for the points per unit, so I just cant fill my core (300p still minium there) with that one unit of IG's Makes my wana tear my hair of So no brainer, 5 ME's with pistols would be over 300p. As I see it, only reason to take FB over butcher would be the trolls that I may face. Right now, the tournament is doing pretty lame (only 15/24 participating). Only one possible O&G army so far, but the tournament is still 2 weeks away.

I have played some 6-7 test runs with my list and have tooled it a bit every time. I played only one game taking FB over butcher. This is the list I am running at the moment:

Butcher
General, lvl 2 maw, dispel scroll, additional hand weapon
162p
Bruiser
Bsb, heavy armour, ironfist
138p
3 Bulls
Ironfists
96p
6 Iron guts
Standard, bellower, look-out gnoblar, standard of discipline
298p
Sabretusk
21p
3 Mournfang cavalry
Heavy armour, ironfists, crusher, bellower
200p
4 Maneaters
Poison, sniper, brace of ogrepistols, captain, bellower, heavy armour
284p

1199p

Since 6th spell of any lore does not work, only "bad" spell I may end up with my butcher is the 4th. Our magic missle has been awesome so far For exapmle, last evening I had a test game vs Delfs and took out 5/6 cold ones with that spell. Taking anything else than poison and sniper on ME's would be serious cardiology ease to my opponents When no lords are allowed and 25p is the max cap for items, skills, marks,.. that you can take on your character, there will be easy and tastefull targets for my ME's to shoot   ..few days back had a test game vs O&G. Sniped his BSB at turn one. Savages and two night goblings standing in a stupidity forest....e're we go!

Haha nicely played! I would say go with whatever your 'gut' tells you. Butcher is a nice option and by the sounds of it you prefer him so go with it. Sorry to really mess with your list here but cheese armies like empire (empire aren't cheesy in general but they can be) will bring much artillery and seeing as you said only one O&G force is going, those maneaters are killed just as easily as normal bulls by canons and the like only they will be giving your oponent lots of points. Thats just a points denial idea... I would say stick with the list you are happy with and that you have tested and succeeded with. Another side note, are your opponents actually good players? Mainly because alot of people dominate their local area but can be rubbish at tournies. So are they competitive or not? Anyways keep doin what your doin! Oh and I respect you for not running Gutstar, well done!:)

Haha nicely played! I would say go with whatever your 'gut' tells you. Butcher is a nice option and by the sounds of it you prefer him so go with it. Sorry to really mess with your list here but cheese armies like empire (empire aren't cheesy in general but they can be) will bring much artillery and seeing as you said only one O&G force is going, those maneaters are killed just as easily as normal bulls by canons and the like only they will be giving your oponent lots of points. Thats just a points denial idea... I would say stick with the list you are happy with and that you have tested and succeeded with. Another side note, are your opponents actually good players? Mainly because alot of people dominate their local area but can be rubbish at tournies. So are they competitive or not? Anyways keep doin what your doin! Oh and I respect you for not running Gutstar, well done!:)

Non taken ..and thanks again for the tips

Had one test game against empire by the way and my opponent had the max artillery allowed by the composition: 1 cannon and hellblaster. Actually killed one ME and made them run, but luckily I rallied later on. Charged his 10 upraged inner circles (and his bsb with them) with my 3 remaining ME's. CC lasted 3 rounds and I won it

My ME's are near 300p / 4 model unit, so I need to protect them as much as possible. This list seems solid to me and has also worked well. Few players, that I have tested my list against, are not as average players as I, but few friends really bring it. The tournament will tell am I any good ..my list is far enough tooled and tested, so I am all to blame if there will not be some success

Wow! That was great! I played empire today and won but with some awful rolling! Knights are a real bane of me. They destroyed my unit of ironguts (8with bruiser) in close combat. My rolling was awful! Really out of all the hits I achieved two hits and one wound! Yes my opposition brought canon and HBVG and it was very, very good. It can destroy units so quickly with some lucky rolls. So this shows even the best lists (not saying I build the best:) ) can be destroyed by poor luck!

So good luck in your tournament!

Hey Grats on the wins
 
Like I said above I prefer the Scout variety just because I can really mess with my opponents plans from T1
However I recently beat a brets list 2000pts without a single casualty I am ashamed to say I ran a gut hoard! (ive never ran one before and I was curious) I ran ME's instead of my usual MFC with Poison/Sniper and got his BsB Turn 2 before any charges! ( I let him charge me ) Turn 3 combat started, 6 grails, 27 Kotr in front, 40 Men at arms in flank and 10 archers in other flank (really bad positioning thanks to scenery and the size of my unit I had no choice if I ever wanted to see combat lol) I won by 7 Anyway point of this little story is Ogres are TOUGH with a capitol T! Take the butcher and pray for Toothcracker and/or stubborn Those ME's could be VERY deadly with Stubborn, Poison, Sniper, T5, HA!
 
Just a thought
Chris

Wow! That was great! I played empire today and won but with some awful rolling! Knights are a real bane of me. They destroyed my unit of ironguts (8with bruiser) in close combat. My rolling was awful! Really out of all the hits I achieved two hits and one wound! Yes my opposition brought canon and HBVG and it was very, very good. It can destroy units so quickly with some lucky rolls. So this shows even the best lists (not saying I build the best:) ) can be destroyed by poor luck!

So good luck in your tournament!

Thanks! May the dice gods be in your favour further on!

Hey Grats on the wins
 
Like I said above I prefer the Scout variety just because I can really mess with my opponents plans from T1
However I recently beat a brets list 2000pts without a single casualty I am ashamed to say I ran a gut hoard! (ive never ran one before and I was curious) I ran ME's instead of my usual MFC with Poison/Sniper and got his BsB Turn 2 before any charges! ( I let him charge me ) Turn 3 combat started, 6 grails, 27 Kotr in front, 40 Men at arms in flank and 10 archers in other flank (really bad positioning thanks to scenery and the size of my unit I had no choice if I ever wanted to see combat lol) I won by 7 Anyway point of this little story is Ogres are TOUGH with a capitol T! Take the butcher and pray for Toothcracker and/or stubborn Those ME's could be VERY deadly with Stubborn, Poison, Sniper, T5, HA!
 
Just a thought
Chris

I read your report. Nice job by the way Gutstar just is something nasty with lvl4 maw SM
For now and for this very tournament, I will play ME's as they are in my list. I gotta admit that I am very keen to find out how they really do if build and boosted more in CC manner. Just the pure amount of high S attacks with a decent I... 

Yes that battle report was a similar list against a similar bret army... same opponent though
 
But yes, I think you should stick with the ME's. They are not as big a target as MFC and they will split fire more rather then focusing on them
good luck!
 
Chris

Yes that battle report was a similar list against a similar bret army... same opponent though

Got me there

But yes, I think you should stick with the ME's. They are not as big a target as MFC and they will split fire more rather then focusing on them
good luck!
 
Chris

Great minds think alike

So, after lots of cunning planning and playing practice games, the tournament was cancelled due to lack of participants every one backed off at the late moment. So the thing went sideways. New run for this tournament coming late this autum. Now one week away, is a 2400 with named characters allowed. Making topic for that one.