poisoned impact hits???

man eaters with poison...they get posined attacks...thats all types of attacks right? shooting and close combat are obvious.

How do impact hits fomr a charge get resolved, do they have poison? if anyone can answer this with page references etc would be great.

My thinking behind it is, all attacks are poison. granted impact hits dont say attakc as far as im aware (please prove me wrong) they are distributed as per shooting, and still done in combat. the only thing id imagine poison wouldnt give posion to is warmachines and magic.

Help me out guys

Special rules like Poisoned Attacks or Flaming Attacks do not apply to stomps but do apply to Impact Hits. Don't have the reference at hand but 100% sure of that.

Do remember the Flaming Impact Hits of your Firebelly, they can strip the regen for the CC phase !

This is great news...for me.

If this can be backed up with rules and page references that would great as i imagine im going todo this as much as possible and people are not going to be happy. I fully expect to be questioned about it once or twice

No you dont get poison on impacts or stomps. Poison only works on the to hit roll. As stomps and impact hits work off just to wound they dont benefit from this rule im afraid!

Az

Update. Page 73 of the BRB states everything that you need!Spells are unaffected as are any attacks with magical weapons! It only works on a natural die roll of a 6 to hit.

Page 71 of the BRB, there is nothing to say that they can't use special abilities, and it does say that Impact Hits are a close combat attack. As such they gain the rules of any combat attack the models has (flaming, poison etc).

In the case of poison, yes the impact hits are poisoned, but as per the poison rile on p73 of the BRB, attacks that hit automatically do not trigger poison, so no bonuses are gained for poisoned impact hits.

of course...durrr...pardon me for being thick. glad i asked though as it may come in handy with the flaming aspect with me firebelly

cheers for clearing that up for me guys

Although impact hit will benefit from things like flaming attacks, stomps won't benefit from any special rules IIRC. (can't check FAQ now)

If you can't roll that 6 to hit then you can't benefit from poison, kinda sucky but that's the way this cookie crumbles 

Right, I forgot the needed rolls for poison... Don't know what I was thinking of: auto-hit AND auto-wound? Silly me...

Right, I forgot the needed rolls for poison... Don't know what I was thinking of: auto-hit AND auto-wound? Silly me...

Lol with an Ogre statline that falls into the realms of "I wish!"

You don't roll to hit with impact hits so can't roll the 6

So if my poison maneaters do impact hits to a slaughtermaster....??

The slaughtermaster ignores the poison and gets thwacked by the 400kg maneater

Az

The slaughtermaster ignores the poison and gets thwacked by the 400kg maneater

Pfft... That is a mere boy in size compare to a voluminous Slaughtermaster...

The slaughtermaster ignores the poison and gets thwacked by the 400kg maneater

Pfft... That is a mere boy in size compare to a voluminous Slaughtermaster...

Haha yeah, I envisage my Slaughtermaster to be at LEAST a metric ton! 

Right, I forgot the needed rolls for poison... Don't know what I was thinking of: auto-hit AND auto-wound? Silly me...

Lol with an Ogre statline that falls into the realms of "I wish!"

Get the charge off with a horde of Bulls  then cast Flaming Sword on them = Your Wish!  You'll auto -hit and -wound most troop types.  Hell if the stars align you could get up to 18 automatic deaths before anybody swings a sword, 24 if you include stomps!
The only other thing that could possibly beat that straight up death is the Thirteenth Spell o_O

Mutate: Fun Fact, I did that once with a horde of Maneaters

You'd need a Str buff on the bulls to get autowounding Impact hits. And be hitting T3.

But it would work unmodified on Maneaters

You'd need a Str buff on the bulls to get autowounding Impact hits. And be hitting T3.

Assuming we have the flaming sword as mentioned above, you would get auto wounds from a bullhorde against T3. S6 impacts and +1 to wound so the ones become twos.

Ahhh right, forgot about the rank str bonus.

Hah, there ya are!
With three ranks we hit with Str 7's, if we get the Flaming Sword off we auto-wound T5's and lower with a -4 to armour

Its clear its been too long since I played a game

I always thought that unless specifically stated you can't auto-wound because when rolling to wound a natural roll of a 1 is always a fail. Even with a 1+ armour 1's still fail. You could be S10 against T1 and your still rolling to wound on 2+. Maybe there's something I'm missing but S vs. T alone will never cause auto-wounds, even with flaming swords' +1 to wound.

IIRC, there's a rule saying : "If you get a +1 to wound, and you already wound on 2+, that's an auto-wound".

This is the rule making Ironblaster auto-wound everything with Sword of Ruin !

IIRC, there's a rule saying : "If you get a +1 to wound, and you already wound on 2+, that's an auto-wound".

This is the rule making Ironblaster auto-wound everything with Sword of Ruin !

NICE! That wont be forgotten any time soon. Thanks for the useful advice! So I can shove said ruling into other people's faces when the inevitable debate arises where can these rules be found? Rulebook or FAQ's or perhaps some other source?

I don't have the book here, but I know there is a faq about a similar situation on Queek headtaker. he has a special rule similar to flaming sword that makes him auto wound Dwarves...

Q. Does Queek’s “Trophy Heads” special rule mean that he could
automatically wound an enemy (because he needs a 2+ and receives
a +1 modifier to the dice)? (p72)
A. Yes.

Same goes for a 2+ to wound with Flaming sword makes even the 1s wound...

Awesome! I'll check the Rulebook and Skaven FAQ's for the official text. That's good enough for me though, thanks for the clarification.   

Sorry for the french quote, from the GBR FAQ, section "Shooting":

Q. Est-ce qu’un jet pour blesser de 1 compte toujours comme
un échec ? (p42, 51)
R. Non, bien qu’il soit très rare qu’une figurine effectue des jets
pour blesser de 1+.

A 1 on a to-wound is not an automatic failure, even if the number of models that can do wounds on 1+ is very little.

The thing with Queek Headtaker is actually NOT against Dwarfs. It's against anyone else that is Toughness 2 or less that you are in challenge with. There is an additional note in his rules that specifically say that the 2+ to wound on Dwarfs isn't modified in a challenge, but against Toughness 2 or less, he would wound on 2's and get +1 so he would get auto-wounds.

The Rulebook FAQ specifically says it is possable to auto wound if you have a modifier to the roll. Its incredibly rare though.

Q: Does a To Wound roll of a 1 always fail to Wound? (p42, 51) A: No. Though it is very rare for a model to be able to Wound on a 1+.

Page 6 of the general errata and faq :-)

Sorry, kind of derailed the topic a bit...