So apparently I've been playing this wrong....(stomps)

Then I apoligize and retract the gnoblar reference, mt argument stands without it.

I add this:  the Ogre book was written after the FAQ, its possible GW took the FAQ inti account which is why Big Names affect profiles rather than stats.

I challenge you to provide evidence that a direct profile change is a special rule.

There is no +strength to stomp, otherwise Awesome Strength BTs have a S10 TS. Same same (both modify the profile and are mentioned under either magic items or other abilities as not affecting S/TS).

What are Awesome Strength BTs?

Awesome strength is a demonic gift, one of the special rules used as an example in the FAQ.

Am I correct in assuming demonic gifts and bloodlines both do not count towards the models magical item allotment?

Am I correct in assuming demonic gifts and bloodlines both do not count towards the models magical item allotment?

To me this has nothing to do with the argument.  But no, they do not.

There is no +strength to stomp, otherwise Awesome Strength BTs have a S10 TS. Same same (both modify the profile and are mentioned under either magic items or other abilities as not affecting S/TS).

Just checked the demon book, there is no mention of changing the profile.  It says the Deamon has Strength 10.

I asked because the faq was made in response to how seemingly "unfair" character allottments, ie, previous edition army books that allow more customization than standard 100 points, effected various in game situations. OK is the most recent book and theirs is one of the few instances ive found in the that specifically mention a profile change.
A similiar and no less contentious situation happened when the Space Wolves Codex was released in regards to thunderwolf mounts and how they applied their characteristic modifiers. ( I understand this is not relative, different game and all, I just find it interesting.)

Hmm, that is interesting.  I'm wondering if Games Workshop is moving towards ALL gifts/names/powers will come out of the Magic Allotment.  It is a bit more fair.  I really hate facing my Vamp friend with Infernal Hatred and the Sword of Bloodshed plus whatever other 150 points he decides to spend.

yeah, its a good concept.


The problem is that we have to live with having less equipment till said army books do get updated. While they will just live in fear of an update.

Oh man, I know that game...Tomb Kings get NO love from Games Workshop.  Very Balanced as a stand alone army, but against seventh editions gifts and magic items they are at a serious disadvantage.

Destroyer of Eternities is the most useless item ever....unless you're playing SoM, then it might be ok.

You can tell Ogres got some love though, outside of the special character section, I think they did an awesome job of making a balanced army that is still competitive against 7th edition magic items/special ability choices.

Although it makes me giggle when I think of how HEs are going to be gnawing their fingers down to nubs wondering whats going to happen to the Book of Hoeth when the rumors of their next update begin to surface.

Same thing for Empire and their stupid Speculum.

The fact that Giantbreaker is 25pts now makes sense to me, as it adds +1 to the Ogres profile so you get Strength 6 Impact hits and Stomps.

While for 20pts Sword of Might only gives +1 Strength to the normal close combat attacks, but is also Magical.

Interesting catch Bob.  That's another good point towards giantbreaker counting towards stomps and impact hits.

The extra points could well be due to the fact that you can combine Giantbreaker with other magic or special weapons whereby with the Sword of might you cannot.

K

True, true