Hunter or Leadbelchers? (Ard Boyz)

Hey guys, I am thinking of tweaking my list some but I am wondering if I want to play LBs over a Hunter or vice versa.

Here's the list:

Skrag
Gorger x5

Tyrant: Tenderiser, Gut Maw, WSN, HA, Lucky
BSB Bruiser: GTSs x2, Sw/Might
w/
IGs x6: Champ, SB/Warbanner, Lookout

Butcher: Siegebreaker, Skullmantle
w/
IGs x7: SB, Muso

Butcher: DSS x2

Bulls 2x3: Muso

LBS x4: Champ, Muso

Trappers x9

Fighters 2x24

=2999

If I drop the unit of LBs, that will free up enough points for a pointed up Hunter w/ 2 kitties and leave 6 points open. I would like to change the list enough to get another unit of trappers. I am thinking of taking those 6pts, dropping 1 IG from the Butcher's unit (knocking it down to 6) and that gives me exactly 54pts for another unit of 9 Trappers.

Thoughts?


EDIT: If I do it, what is everyone's suggestion for how to point up the Hunter? I was thinking Greyback Pelt and "Beastkiller"

I don't like Leadies but they really have a place in an 'Ard Boyz list. You need them for Fast Cav and flyer removal, plus people tend to focus on them early leaving your other units alive longer.

I don't see the Hunter bringing the same to the table. He could be used for points denial though.

Totally agree with Randroid. They're not usually that good in terms of killing stuff and taking hits, but a unit of four is a massive distraction that'll almost certainly attract more attention than is justified. I find many people are ignorant of the rules for 'em, and as such are deathly afraid of their capabilities.

I treat Leadbelchers as Bulls with bonuses, so I would minimize the Bull units and spend the points on Leadbelchers.

I like the use of champions on the leadbelchers

I treat Leadbelchers as Bulls with bonuses, so I would minimize the Bull units and spend the points on Leadbelchers.

I like the use of champions on the leadbelchers

Even in a Ard Boyz list?

shouldn't this be in the army lists section.?

No, we're discussing the merits of one unit over another rather than the actual list.

OK the pointed Hunter and his kitties are actually 5 pts cheaper (wow...lol) than the LB unit. So lets break them down some.

4 Leadbelchers w/champ, muso =

12 wounds
13 CC attacks
4 Impact Hits (assuming they all live)
12 US in CC
6+ AS
7 Ld
4 Artillery shots in the shooting phase

Hunter w/ kitties =

8 wounds
10 attacks
7 US (can still negate ranks)
6+ AS
9 Ld
Can take magic items
Bolt Thrower
Fast Cav
More Scouts option

Abilities:

LBs can blow themselves up potentially causing panic amongst themselves, or making their unit smaller for the charge. They are lower toughness and no armor, and will panic about 45% of the time because of Ld7 when being shot. They have a shorter range, but they can potentially annihilate whatever they shoot at.

Hunter is a stand alone and cannot stand up against warmachine fire and will die faster if not protected. He is slightly higher toughness but still has no armor, and at 4 wounds one cannon can take his head right off. He has a longer range, but less of a chance of doing more damage.

LBs are standard troops which means they have to setup during the units phase, whereas the Hunter can setup during characters and wont count toward +1 for who goes first. I could go one, but lets look at this stuff first.