Amended Ogre Kingdoms Army List

Well, here it is at last. Criticise away!

Amended Ogre Kingdoms Special Rules:
Bull Charge – Whenever a model with the Bull Charge rule successfully charges into combat, it causes a single Impact Hit at its base strength. If there is a model ranked directly behind it, this Impact Hit gains +1S.

Bellowers – Every unit with the Bellowers rule always counts as having a Musician, even if the only models left are characters, or other command models.

Ogre Club – Attacks made by models with the Ogre Club rule are Armour Piercing, inflicting an additional -1 penalty on the target's Armour Save. This includes Impact Hits.

Largely Insignificant – Gnoblar units do not cause Panic in any other units for any reason – even other Gnoblars. Ogre characters cannot join a Gnoblar unit of any sort.

Bicker – Roll a D6 at the start of the turn for each unit of Gnoblars that is not in combat, fleeing, or subject to compulsory movement. If a unit rolls a 1 it may do nothing this turn.

Amended Ogre Kingdoms Equipment:
Ironfists: Models equipped with Ironfists may use them as an Additional Handweapon or a Shield, with the appropriate effects.

Hunting Spear – 12” Range, Thrown Weapon, Armour Piercing. Strength as User. Every hit caused is multiplied into D3 hits.

Harpoon Crossbow – The Harpoon Crossbow fires as a Bolt Thrower as described in the Warhammer Rulebook, with the following exceptions: The character firing the Harpoon Crossbow may Move-and-Shoot with a penalty of -1 to Hit. As it was designed to bring down the mighty beasts of the mountains, the Harpoon Crossbow only causes D3 Wounds on models with the Large Target rule.

Leadbelcher Cannon – 12” Range, Strength 4, Armour Piercing. Roll an Artillery Die for each Leadbelcher Cannon – this is the number of shots it fires this turn. Leadbelcher Cannon shots ignore the penalties to hit for Moving & Shooting, Range, and Multiple Shots. If a Misfire result is rolled, the bearer’s unit suffers d6 Strength 4 hits, distributed as shooting.

Sword Gnoblar – An Ogre with a Sword Gnoblar may, once per game, choose to re-roll a single missed Attack.
Luck Gnoblar – An Ogre with a Luck Gnoblar may, once per game, choose to re-roll a single failed Save.
Tooth Gnoblar – A Butcher with a Tooth Gnoblar may, once per game, choose to re-roll a single Power Dice, so long as it did not cause a Miscast.
Powder Gnoblar – A Leadbelcher unit with a Powder Gnoblar may, once per game, choose to re-roll a single Artillery Dice.
Look-Out Gnoblar – A unit with a Standard Bearer with a Look-Out Gnoblar may take a “Look-Out, Sir!” roll even if it has less than the requisite five models.


Amended Ogre Kingdoms Units:
Lords
Tyrant………..Pts: 200
        M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Tyrant  6  6  4 5 5 5 4 5  9Equipment: Handweapon, Heavy Armour
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear
Options:
- May choose a Greatweapon (+12pts), Additional Handweapon (+6pts), Ironfist (+8pts), Halberd (+8pts) and/or Flail (+8pts).
- May choose a Brace of Handguns (+12pts), Leadbelcher Cannon (+20pts), and/or Hunting Spears (+12pts).
- May choose one Luck Gnoblar for +10pts and/or one Sword Gnoblar for +5pts.
- A Tyrant may be mounted on a Rhinox for +85pts, or a Bull Rhinox for +160pts.
- May choose Magic Items from the Common or Ogre magic items list to a maximum total value of 100pts.
- May choose Big Names from the Big Names list to a maximum total value of 50pts.

Slaughtermaster………..Pts: 200
                 M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Slaughtermaster  6  4  3 4 5 5 3 4  8Equipment: Handweapon
Magic: Slaughtermasters are Level 4 Wizards who always use Gut Magic.
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear, Immune to Poison
Options:
- May choose one Tooth Gnoblar and/or one Luck Gnoblar for +10pts each.
- May choose Magic Items from the Common or Ogre magic items list to a maximum total value of 100pts.
- May choose Big Names from the Big Names list to a maximum total value of 25pts.

Heroes
Bruiser………..Pts: 130
         M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Bruiser  6  5  3 5 5 4 3 4  8Equipment: Handweapon, Heavy Armour
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear
Options:
- May choose a Greatweapon (+8pts), Additional Handweapon (+4pts), Ironfist (+6pts), and/or Flail (+6pts).
- May choose a Brace of Handguns (+8pts), Leadbelcher Cannon (+20pts), and/or Hunting Spears (+8pts).
- May choose one Luck Gnoblar for +10pts and/or one Sword Gnoblar for +5pts.
- A Bruiser may be mounted on a Rhinox for +85pts.
- May choose Magic Items from the Common or Ogre magic items list to a maximum total value of 50pts.
- May choose Big Names from the Big Names list to a maximum total value of 25pts.

Butcher………..Pts: 130
         M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Butcher  6  3  2 4 5 4 2 3  8Equipment: Handweapon
Magic: Butchers are Level 2 Wizards who always use Gut Magic.
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear, Immune to Poison
Options:
- May choose one Tooth Gnoblar and/or one Luck Gnoblar for +10pts each.
- May choose Magic Items from the Common or Ogre magic items list to a maximum total value of 50pts.

 Hunter………..Pts: 125
           M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Hunter     6  5  4 5 5 4 4 4  9
Sabretusk  8  4  - 4 4 2 4 3  5
Cavebeast  6  4  - 5 5 4 2 4  5Equipment: Handweapon, Light Armour, Hunting Spears
Special Rules:Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear, Sic ‘Em Boys, Loner
Options:
- May choose an Additional Handweapon (+4pts), and/or Harpoon Crossbow (+20pts).
- May be accompanied by up to four Sabretusks (+25pts each) or a single Cavebeast (65pts). Note that Sabretusks do not have the Bull Charge rule, and all cause Fear.
- If the Hunter is unaccompanied, he may be given the Scout rule (+20pts).
- May choose Magic Items from the Common or Ogre magic items list to a maximum total value of 50pts.
- May choose Big Names from the Big Names list to a maximum total value of 25pts.

Loner – Hunters may not be general. Hunters may not join any other unit.

Sic ‘Em Boys – Any Sabretusks accompanying a Hunter may charge independently of the Hunter as a separate unit, at their own movement rate. The accompanying Hunter may not charge another target on a turn that the Sabretusks charge independently, but may otherwise move as normal. Once released, the Sabretusks form a Fast Cavalry unit that may not be joined by any other unit, other than their original Hunter (if rejoined by the Hunter, they cease to be Fast Cavalry). The Hunter may choose to release the Sabretusks when they break an enemy unit in combat. The Hunter automatically restrains, while the Sabretusks pursue the unit 3D6 inches.
While the Hunter is accompanied by a creature, missile fire is randomised against the unit by rolling a D6; 1-4 hits the Hunter, 5-6 hits the Sabretusks or Cavebeast. The unit does not take Panic tests for creature casualties. If the Hunter is slain while accompanied by a creature, the creature(s) must roll on the Monster Reaction table at the end of the first turn that they are unengaged.

Core

1+ Bulls………..Pts/Model: 35
         M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Bull     6  3  2 4 4 3 2 3  7
Crusher  6  3  2 4 4 3 2 4  7Unit Size: 3+
Equipment: Handweapon, Light Armour
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear
Options:
- Any unit may be given Additional Handweapons (+4pts/model) or Ironfists (+5pts/model).
- Any unit may upgrade one Bull to a Crusher (+15pts).
- Any unit may upgrade one Bull to a Standard Bearer (+15pts). Any unit with a Standard Bearer may buy a Look-Out Gnoblar for +5pts.

Ironguts………..Pts/Model: 48
         M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Irongut  6  3  2 4 4 3 2 3  8
Gutlord  6  3  2 4 4 3 2 4  8Unit Size: 3+
Equipment: Handweapon, Greatweapon, Heavy Armour
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Irongut to a Gutlord (+20pts).
- Any unit may upgrade one Irongut to a Standard Bearer (+20pts). Any unit with a Standard Bearer may buy a Look-Out Gnoblar for +5pts.
- Any unit with a Standard Bearer may be given a Magic Standard from the Common or Ogre Kingdoms Magic Items lists worth up to 50pts.

1+ Pitfghters………..Pts/Model: 42
0-1 per unit of Ogre Bulls
             M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Pitfighter   6  4  2 4 4 3 2 3  7
Prizefighter 6  4  2 4 4 3 2 4  7Unit Size: 3+
Equipment: Handweapon, Ironfist, Heavy Armour
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Pitfighter to a Prizefighter (+20pts).

Gnoblar Fighters………..Pts/Model: 2
Gnoblar Fighters do not count toward the minimum number of Core Units required
            M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Gnoblar     4  2  3 2 3 1 3 1  5
Groinbiter  4  2  3 2 3 1 3 2  5Unit Size: 20+
Equipment: Handweapon, Sharp Stuff
Special Rules: Largely Insignificant, Bicker
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Gnoblar to a Groinbiter (+2pts).

Gnoblar Trappers………..Pts/Model: 6
0-1 per unit of Gnoblar Fighters
             M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Trapper      4  2  3 2 3 1 3 1  5
Snarefinger  4  2  4 2 3 1 3 2  5Unit Size: 8+
Equipment: Handweapon, Sharp Stuff
Special Rules: Largely Insignificant, Bicker, Skirmish, Scout
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Trapper to a Snarefinger (+4pts).

Special
 Yhetees………..Pts/Model: 65
           M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Yhetee    7  3  2 5 4 3 4 3  7
Greyback  7  3  2 5 4 3 4 4  7Unit Size: 3+
Equipment: Two Handweapons
Special Rules:Ogre Club, Bellowers, Cause Fear, Scale Terrain, Icy Presence
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Yhetee to a Greyback (+20pts).

Scale Terrain – Yhetees treat all undefended obstacles, cliffs, rocks, boulders, scree and woods as open ground, even if it would normally be classed as impassable terrain – note that they cannot end their move in any terrain classed as impassable, and that line-of-sight restrictions still apply.

Icy Presence – Yhetees have magical attacks. All models in combat with Yhetees have a penalty of -2 to their Weaponskill. Note that this may not reduce their Weaponskill to below 1, and does not affect models with the Icy Presence rule or Flaming Attacks.

Leadbelchers………..Pts/Model: 50
              M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Leadbelcher  6  3  3 4 4 3 2 3  7
Thunderfist    6  3  3 4 4 3 2 4  7Unit Size: 2+
Equipment: Handweapon, Leadbelcher Cannon, Light Armour
Special Rules:Ogre Club, Bellowers, Cause Fear
Options:
- Any unit may upgrade one Leadbelcher to a Thunderfist (+20pts).
- Any unit may purchase a Powder Gnoblar for +10pts.

Gnoblar Scrap-Cart………..Pts/Model: 110
0-1 per unit of Gnoblar Fighters
             M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Scrap-Cart  -  -  - 5 5 5 - -  -
Scrapper    -  2  3 2 - - 3 1  5
Rhinox      6  3  - 5 - - 2 3  5Unit Size: One Scrap-Cart, one Rhinox and six Gnoblar Scrappers
Equipment: Gnoblar Scrappers are equipped with Handweapons and Sharp Stuff. The Scrap-Cart has a 4+ Armour Save.
Special Rules:Chariot, Cause Fear, Largely Insignificant, Bad-Tempered, Gnoblar Engineering
Options:
- Any Scrap-Cart may be upgraded to a Scrap-Launcher (+45pts) or a Skewer-Slinger (+25pts).

Gnoblar Engineering: Although it is a Chariot, a Scrap-Cart is not automatically destroyed by wounds of S7 or above. Instead, if it takes such a wound, the Gnoblar Scrappers are removed, any Warmachine on the Scrap-Cart may not be fired for the remainder of the game, and the Scrap-Cart only causes D3 Impact Hits on the charge, not D6.

Scrap-Launcher: A Scrap-Launcher fires as a Stone Thrower, with the following exceptions. The Scrap-Launcher has a 90-degree line-of-sight. The Scrap-Launcher may Move-and-Shoot, and uses the Large Template. Hits caused by the Scrap-Launcher are S3, have the Killing Blow rule, and do not ignore Armour Saves. Do not double the Strength of hits under the centre hole. The Scrap-Launcher uses the Gnoblar Engineering Misfire Table.

Skewer-Slinger: A Skewer-Slinger fires as a Bolt Thrower, with the following exceptions. The Scrap-Launcher has a 90-degree line-of-sight. The Skewer-Slinger may Move-and-Shoot. On a roll of 1 “To Hit”, roll on the Gnoblar Engineering Misfire Table.

Gnoblar Engineering Misfire Table:
D6 Roll:
1: Spraang!: Remove the Scrap-Cart from play.
2: Ouch!: The Scrap-Cart charges 3D6” in a random direction. If it strikes a unit, the unit will immediately take 2D6 S5 hits, and the Scrap-Cart will be removed from play.
3: Plot!: The opposing player may immediately fire the Scrap-Cart as if it were under his control. If he then misfires and rolls a 3, the Scrap-Cart simply may not fire this turn.
4: Oops!: If a Scrap-Launcher has Misfired, resolve the shot with the large template’s hole centred on the Scrap-Cart, scatting as usual. If a Skewer-Slinger has Misfired, the Scrap-Cart takes a S6 hit, causing D3 wounds.
5: Shiny!: The war machine may not fire this turn.
6: Aaaah!: Resolve the shot as normal, with the following exceptions; A Scrap-Launcher’s shot simply causes a single hit at S5 under the centre hole (this still has Killing Blow), while a Skewer-Slinger’s shot hits, but is reduced to S5 and does not penetrate ranks.

Ogre Trackers………..Pts/Model: 40
          M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Tracker   6  3  3 4 4 3 2 3  7
Sharpeye  6  3  4 4 4 3 2 4  7Unit Size: 1-4
Equipment: Handweapon, Hunting Spears, Thick Furs (Light Armour)
Special Rules: Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear, Trackers
Options: Any one model may be upgraded to a Sharpeye for +20 Points.

Trackers: After the deployment of normal troops but before the deployment of Scouts, the Ogre Tracker unit may make a "free" move of 6", ignoring any Movement penalties.

Rare
Maneaters………..Pts/Model: 65
           M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Maneater  6  4  4 5 4 3 3 4  8Unit Size: 1+
Equipment: Handweapon, Light Armour
Special Rules:Ogre Club, Bellowers, Bull Charge, Cause Fear, Stubborn, Immune to Psychology
Options:
- Any Maneater unit may be equipped with Heavy Armour (+4pts/model)
- Any individual Maneater may be armed with a Greatweapon (+8pts), Ironfist (+6pts), Additional Handweapon (+4pts), Flail (+6pts), Morning Star (+6pts), and/or Halberd (+6pts).
- Any individual Maneater may be armed with a Brace of Handguns (+8pts), Hunting Spears (+4pts), and/or Leadbelcher Cannon (+20pts).
- Any Maneater unit may be given one of the following upgrades for the points cost listed: 
* Jungle Adventurers - 15pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit is Immune to Poisoned Attacks and treats wooded Difficult Terrain as Open Ground for the purposes of Movement.
* Fearsome Reputation - 15pts/Model
The unit of Maneaters causes Terror.
* Treasure Hunters - 10pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit has Magical Attacks in Close Combat, and MR (1).
* Weapon Lords - 10pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit is equipped with every Close Combat weapon option available to the unit.
* Tin-Plated - 10pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit has Full Plate Armour, giving them a 4+ Armour Save. This replaces any Light or Heavy Armour they may have.
* Mutant Mercenaries - 10pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit has D3+3 Attacks before modifiers, and counts as Chaos units for the purposes of Hatred, Magic, etc.
* Monster Killers - 5pts/Model
Wounds caused by Maneaters in this unit on Large Targets are doubled.
* Wanderers of the East - 5pts/Model
Every Maneater in the unit has +1WS and +1I.

Gorger………..Pts/Model: 75
         M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Gorger  6  3  2 5 5 4 2 3  8 Equipment: Handweapon
Special Rules:Ogre Club, Cause Fear, Unbreakable, Killing Blow, Unending Frenzy, Bloodscent

Unending Frenzy – Gorgers are Frenzied, and may not lose their Frenzy under any circumstances (e.g. losing combat).

Bloodscent – Gorgers are not deployed on the table at the beginning of the battle. Instead, at the start of each Ogre turn (starting from Turn Two) roll a D6 to see whether the Gorger arrives:
Turn        Dice Roll To Arrive
  2                4+
  3                3+
  4                2+
  5        Arrives AutomaticallyIn the Remaining Moves phase of the turn when it arrives, the Gorger can enter the battlefield from any table edge and will be treated exactly as if it is re-entering play after it had pursued an enemy unit off the table (therefore it may not charge that turn).

Slavegiant………..Pts: 155
             M WS BS S T W I    A    Ld
Slavegiant  6  3  3 6 5 6 3 Special 10
Goaders     6  3  2 4 4 3 2    3     7Equipment: Giant chains and huge feet
Special Rules:Cause Terror, Large Target, Immune to Panic, Fall Over, Longshanks, Broken, Slavegiant Special Attacks
Options:
Any Slavegiant may be accompanied by up to two Ogre Goaders for +40pts each. Goaders are equipped with Giant-Prods (count as Halberds) and Light Armour, and must always be in base contact with the Slavegiant.

Longshanks – Slavegiants have long limbs and move over normal-sized obstacles such as walls and fences without breaking stride. Treat such obstacles as open ground when working out how far the Slavegiant moves. However, when crossing such obstacles the player must test to see if the Slavegiant falls over.

Fall Over – A Slavegiant must test to see if it falls over if any of the following apply;
* If it is beaten in Close Combat (test once results are established but before taking Break Tests).
* If it is fleeing at the start of the Movement phase.
* If it crosses an obstacle.
* If it decides to Jump Up and Down on the enemy (test immediately beforehand).
* If it dies (in this case it falls over automatically, with no test).
To see if the Slavegiant falls over, roll a D6. On a 2+, nothing happens. On a 1, however, the Slavegiant falls over.
To see in which direction the Slavegiant falls over, roll a Scatter Dice – place the Fallen Giant Template facing this direction with its feet touching the Slavegiant’s base. Models under the template are hit automatically, with partial hits resolved as normal. Hits are S6, and cause D3 Wounds. A fallen Slavegiant automatically takes a Wound itself, with no saves allowed. Any wounds caused by or on a falling Slavegiant count toward Combat Resolution.
A fallen Slavegiant may stand up in his following Movement phase, but may not otherwise move. While fallen, he may not attack, and is treated as rolling 0” for any attempts to flee or pursue (although he may choose to stand up if he would be able to pursue).

Broken – Slavegiants are not Stubborn as normal Giants are. However they may subtract one from the result of any Break Test roll for every Goader they are accompanied by.

Slavegiant Special Attacks – Slavegiants do not attack normally. Instead, at the start of each Combat Phase roll a D6 on one of the tables below when it is the Slavegiant’s turn to fight. Which table you use depends on the size of the victim; if fighting a character riding a monster or chariot, decide whether to attack the rider or his mount, and then use the appropriate table.

Fighting Big Things (Ogres, or similar sized or larger creatures including chariots):
D6     Result
 1     Yell and Bawl
2-4    Smash with Ball & Chain
5-6    ‘EadbuttFighting Small Things (anything smaller):
D6     Result
 1     Yell and Bawl
 2     Jump Up and Down
 3     Pick Up and...
4-6    Flail with Chain
* Yell and Bawl – Neither the Slavegiant nor models in contact with him actually fight if the have not already done so this round, but the combat round is automatically won by the Slavegiant’s side. The enemy count as losing the combat by 2.
* Smash with Ball & Chain – The target must take an Initiative test. If it fails, it takes 2D6 Wounds with no Armour Save allowed. If a double is rolled, the ball gets stuck in the ground, and the Giant may not attack in the next combat round.
* ‘Eadbutt – The Slavegiant head-butts his enemy, automatically causing one wound with no Armour Saves allowed. If the victim is wounded but not killed then he is dazed, and loses all of his following attacks – if he has not yet attacked this round he may not do so, and if he has attacked this round then he may not do so in the next one.
* Jump Up and Down – Test to see if the Slavegiant falls over. If he does not, the target unit sustains 2D6 S6 hits, allocated as shooting hits. If a Slavegiant Jumps Up and Down, he will automatically continue to do so in every subsequent combat round – there is no need to roll on the table. However, you will need to determine whether he falls over at the start of each round – therefore, a Slavegiant that starts to Jump Up and Down will continue to do so until he falls over or the combat ends.
* Flail with Chain – The Slavegiant inflicts D6 S6 hits on the target unit, allocated as Shooting hits.
* Pick Up and... – The Slavegiant selects one model that is either in base contact or touching a model in base contact. The target may make a single attack – if this attack hits and wounds, the Slavegiant’s attack fails, otherwise the Slavegiant grabs the model and the player rolls a D6 to see what happens next:
D6     Result
 1     Stuff into Bag: The Slavegiant stuffs his victim into a bag; the model is effectively a casualty and can do nothing. If the Slavegiant is killed then any enemy model in the bag is considered to be freed unharmed after the battle, and no victory points are awarded for them.
 2     Throw Back into Combat: The victim is hurled back into his own unit; this causes a wound on the victim with no saves allowed, and D6 S3 hits on the unit, with saves allowed as normal.
 3     Hurl: The victim is hurled into any enemy unit within 12” of the Slavegiant, determined randomly. This causes a wound on the victim with no saves allowed, and D6 S3 hits on the unit, with saves allowed as normal. If no enemy units are in range, treat this as a result of Throw Back into Combat instead.
 4     Squash: The model becomes a casualty and is removed from the game.
 5     Eat: The model is removed from the game.
 6     Pick Another: The Slavegiant hurriedly stuffs the victim into his bag, and attempts to pick up another; this victim makes a single attack, as described above, to avoid being picked up. If the Slavegiant rolls a succession of 6s, it is possible for him to amass a collection of trapped foes. Trapped models are effectively casualties, exactly as explained in the Stuff into Bag result described above.
 Rhinox Riders………..Pts/Model: 120
              M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Rhinox Rider  6  3  2 4 5 5 2 3  7
Thunderlord   6  3  2 4 5 5 2 4  7
Rhinox        7  3  - 5 * * 2 3  5
Bull Rhinox   7  4  - 6 * * 2 4  5 The Rhinoxen’s  Toughness & Wounds are included in the Rider’s profile.
Unit Size: 1-3
Equipment: Ogre Clubs, Light Armour (combined with the Rhinox’s thick hide, this gives Rhinox Riders a 4+ Armour Save)
Special Rules: Bellowers, Ogre Clubs, Cause Fear, Bad-Tempered, Thunderous Charge, Bull Rhinox
Options:
- Any unit may be given Ironfists (+10 pts per model).
- One Rhinox Rider may be upgraded to a Thunderlord for +25 pts
- One Rhinox Rider may be upgraded to a Standard Bearer for +25 pts. Any unit with a Standard Bearer may buy a Look-Out Gnoblar for +5pts.
- Any unit with a Standard Bearer may have a Magic Banner from the Common or Ogre Kingdoms magic item list of up to 50pts in value.
- One unit in an army may have its Rhinox upgraded to Bull Rhinox at +65pts per model.

Mounts
             M WS BS S T W I A Ld
Rhinox       7  3  - 5 5 4 2 3  5
Bull Rhinox  7  4  - 6 5 5 2 4  5 Rhinox use 50x50mm bases. Bull Rhinox use 50x100mm bases.
Special Rules: Cause Fear, 5+ Scaly Skin, Bad-Tempered, Thunderous Charge, Bull Rhinox

Bad-Tempered - If there is an enemy model that is an eligible target for the Rhinox to charge during the Declare Charges part of the movement phase, it must immediately pass a Leadership test or declare a charge – if there is a choice of models to charge, then the controlling player may choose freely between them.

Thunderous Charge - Rhinox cause D3 Impact Hits on the charge, in the same manner as Chariots, at the base strength of the Rhinox or Bull Rhinox charging. This replaces the Bull Charge of any model riding it.

Bull Rhinox - Bull Rhinox cause Terror instead of Fear, have a 4+ 'Scaly' Skin save, and are Large Targets.

Amended Big Names
Ogre characters may purchase Big Names from this list, up to the total points value indicated in their unit entry. While characters may not purchase multiples of the same Big Name, multiple characters across the army may have the same Big Name. Big Names are not magic items, and therefore cannot be destroyed or negated by items, spells or abilities that affect magic items.
Kineater  – 35pts – Ogre units within 12” of the Ogre may re-roll failed Panic Tests.

Mountaineater – 35pts – The Ogre cannot be wounded on better than a 4+.

Feastmaster – 30pts – Feastmasters have +1 Wound.

Longstrider  – 25pts – Longstriders have +1Movement.

Giantbreaker – 25pts – Giantbreakers have +1 Strength. They may not refuse challenges, and neither they nor the unit they are with may flee as a charge reaction. This Big Name may only be taken if there is a Slave Giant in the army.

Spawnchomper – 25pts – Spawnchompers replace their Attacks value with D6+1 (for Heroes) or D6+2 (for Lords), before modifiers.

Runtcrusher – 20pts – Gnoblar units within 12” of a Runtcrusher automatically pass their Bicker tests.

Deathcheater  – 20pts – The first time a Deathcheater loses his last Wound, he may ignore the Wound on a 2+. This Big Name then has no further effect.

Maneater – 20pts – Maneaters are Immune to Psychology and Stubborn. In addition, they benefit from any non-equipment upgrade purchased by a unit of Maneaters they join.

Eyebiter  – 20pts – Eyebiters Hate one enemy character, selected after deployment, as well as any unit that character is in.

Firebreather – 15pts – Once per game, Firebreathers may use a S3 Flaming Breathweapon.

Beastkiller  – 15pts – Beastkillers are Immune to Psychology. Each unsaved wound they inflict with a mundane weapon against Large Targets is doubled into two wounds.

Wallcrusher – 15pts – Wallcrushers inflict D3 Impact Hits when charging, rather than one. In addition, enemy units receive no benefits from being behind a defended obstacle against a Wallcrusher.

Mawseeker  – 10pts – Mawseekers have +1 Toughness, and suffer from Stupidity.

Ironskin – 10pts – Ironskins have Full Plate Armour, which grants a 4+ Armour Save and replaces any Heavy or Light Armour they may have.

Dragonmaw – 10pts – Dragonmaws have +1Weapon Skill and +1Initiative.
 

Amended Magic Items
Magic Weapons
Thundermace  – 55pts – The Thundermace is a magical great weapon. The wielder may choose to make only one attack per Close Combat phase. On a successful hit (using the lowest Weapon Skill amongst the enemy models in base contact - no additional penalties to hit are applied), place the small template anywhere so that it is touching but not overlapping the wielder’s base (it may touch friendly models if you wish, but it does not affect them). Determine casualties exactly as if the enemy unit had suffered a direct hit a S4( stone thrower. In a challenge, this special attack does not use a template, but rather is a single attack that strikes at S8, doing D6 Wounds and ignoring Armour Saves.

The Tenderiser – 50pts – The Tenderiser is a magical great weapon. All wounds caused by the Tenderiser are multiplied into D3 Wounds, after saves etc.

Siegebreaker  – 30pts – The Siegebreaker is a magical great weapon that adds +3 Strength instead of +2. When rolling to hit, compare the wielder’s Weapon Skill with the enemy’s Initiative instead of his Weapon Skill. Targets without Initiative values, or with values of 0 will be hit automatically, and will take D6 Wounds instead of the usual 1.

Mirabelle – 30pts – Mirabelle is a magical Leadbelcher Cannon. Once per game, the wielder may choose to fire Mirabelle as a normal Cannon with a Strength of 8, causing D3 Wounds. He may have moved this turn, and is treated as the crew for the purposes of Misfiring.

The Rustoak Feller  – 30pts – The Feller is a magical Halberd. The wielder and any unit he is with may treat wooded terrain as open ground. If the wielder wounds a Forest Spirit, it is instantly killed with no save allowed.

Skullpucker  –25pts – The wielder‘s attacks have Killing Blow. In addition, the Skullplucker may convey +1 Attack or a 5+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally – which bonus is applied must be decided at the start of each combat.

Longshank Club  – 25pts – All successful saves made against wounds caused by the Longshank Club must be re-rolled.

The Painted Tusk – 20pts – The Tusk is a magical Lance. A Rhinox or Bull Rhinox ridden by the wielder causes D3+1 Impact Hits on the charge.

Magic Armour
Mastodon Armour  – 45pts – The Mastodon Armour confers a 4+ Armour Save. Wounds caused on the wearer by ranged weapons must re-roll successful To Wound rolls.

Greatskull  – 30pts – Grants a 6+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally. Any spell that affects the wearer, or the unit he is with, will miscast on any roll of a double 2 or 3 as well as a double 1.

Bullgut – 30pts – Grants a 6+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally.  On any turn the wearer charges, he counts his Unit Strength as 6, and any hits caused by his Bull Charge are at +1 Strength, as though another Ogre were ranked behind him.

Gut Maw  – 30pts – Grants a 6+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally. If the wearer kills an opponent during a challenge, he may immediately restore a number of wounds equal to the starting Wounds characteristic of the slain opponent. If the wearer is already at full Wounds, then he may add up to +1 Wound to his profile.

Greedy Fist  – 30pts – Grants a 6+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally. Any magical properties of attacks directed at the wearer are negated – the weapon used simply counts as a mundane weapon of the same type while targeting the wearer.

Yolkey Helm – 25pts – Grants a 6+ Armour Save that can be combined with other equipment normally. Once per game, the wearer may move as though Flying - this special move may not be used to charge.

Talismans
Spangleshard  – 35pts – The wearer has a Ward Save equal to the Required To Wound roll of the wound to be saved. For example if a T5 wearer were to take a S6 wound, he would have a 3+ Ward Save, while a S3 wound would convey a 6+ Ward Save. The wearer receives no save against automatic wounds.

Cathayan Jet  – 30pts – The wearer has a 4+ Ward Save against all wounds caused upon him by magic or magical attacks, apart from wounds caused by High or Dark Magic spells, and wounds incurred from casting Gut Magic.

Wyrdstone Necklace  – 20pts – The wearer has a 5+ Ward Save. Roll a D6 after deployment, and on a roll of a 1 the bearer suffers a wound with no saves allowed.

Gnoblar Thiefstone  – 15pts – The wearer has MR(1). A character may take more than one Thiefstone (to a maximum of three), at 15pts per stone, each one adding an additional +1 to his MR.

Gorger Token – 15pts – At the end of any turn that the wearer inflicts a wound, he becomes Frenzied.

Dog Tablet - 10pts - Giant Wolves, Dire Wolves, Chaos Hounds, Flesh Hounds, Sabretusks, or any other kind of canine or feline model may never direct attacks at the model with the Dog Tablet, although their riders may direct attacks as normal.

Arcane Items
Hellheart – 50pts – The Butcher may use this item at the start of his opponent's Magic Phase, once per game. For the remainder of the phase, any Casting roll that includes a double will cause a Miscast, not just a double 1. All enemy wizards are treated as Butchers for the purposes of Miscasts (e.g. they must roll on the Gut Magic Miscast Table instead of their own). If a spell is cast with Irresistible Force, resolve the spell as usual and then roll on the Gut Magic Miscast Table.

Grut's Sickle  – 35pts – A Butcher with this item may choose to cause a wound on a unit he has joined in order to gain another Power Dice, which is added to his personal pool. This may only be done once per phase. Wounds caused by the Sickle may not be allocated to characters, and may not be saved in any way.

Halfling Cookbook – 25pts – The Butcher with this item suffers no wounds from casting a successful Bonecruncher or Toothcracker spell, and only takes a wound from casting Trollguts a D6 roll of a 4+.

Mawmarked Piercings – 25pts – The Butcher with the Piercings ignores any increase in the Casting Value of Gut Magic Spells.

Bangstick  – 25pts – Bound Spell: Power Level 3. 24” Range Magic Missile that causes D6 S4 hits. Line of Sight may be drawn through unengaged Gnoblar units, who will also sustain D6 S4 hits.

Skullmantle – 20pts – All Leadership tests caused by the Butcher wearing the Skullmantle, or a unit he has joined, are at -1 Leadership.

Maub’s Marrow-Cracker Mallet  – 20pts – The Butcher knows the following spell in addition to the rest of the Gut Magic Lore:
Legbreaker (3+ To Cast, Gut Magic) – This spell may target one enemy unit within 18”. While this Gut Magic spell is in play, the targeted unit may not march. Whenever the unit must flee, pursue or overrun, it must roll one additional D6 and discard the highest result.

Enchanted Items
Brahmir Statue  – 35pts – Bound Spell: Power Level 3: Burning Gaze
 
Greyback Pelt – 35pts – An Ogre with the Greyback Pelt (and any Sabretusks or Cavebeasts that accompany the character) gains the Scale Terrain and Icy Presence rules.

Daemon-Killer Scars  – 30pts – An Ogre with Daemon-Killer Scars causes Terror.

Jade Lion  – 25pts – The bearer and any unit he is with may re-roll any failed Psychology tests. Once the unit flees for any reason, this benefit is lost.

Ghatot Hot-Pot  – 25pts – At the start of the Ogre turn the character holding the Hot-Pot may choose to imbibe its chunky contents. Roll a D6. On a 2+, he gains +1S, +1T, and +1I until the start of his next turn. On a 1, the above effect is applied, and he also takes a single wound with no saves allowed.

Rock Eye –20pts – The character with the Rock Eye may ignore terrain for the purposes of Line of Sight – he may target units blocked by terrain as though there were nothing in the way. Note that he must still apply any penalties for Cover or Difficult Terrain.

Golden Apples – 15pts – Once per game, during the Shooting Phase, the character with the Golden Apple may choose to throw it at any enemy unit within 12” and his Line of Sight. On a D6 roll of a 2+ (lightning doesn’t require an exact aim), that unit takes D6 S4 hits that ignore Armour Saves and Regeneration. On a 1, the character’s unit takes those hits, as he fumbles the apple horribly.

Fistful of Laurels  – 15pts – A character with this item or the unit he is with may re-roll a failed Break test once per game, just as if a Battle Standard was within 12”.

Magic Standards
Dragonhide – 65pts – On the turn that they charge, Ogres in a unit bearing the Dragonhide may re-roll all failed rolls To Hit and To Wound, and failed Armour Saves.
Ogres in the unit with the Dragonhide are Immune to Flaming Attacks and Ice Magic.

Cannibal Totem  – 35 Points - Units with this banner may re-roll all failed rolls To Wound, may not overrun and must always pursue. Against units with 40x40mm bases or larger, they may re-roll failed rolls To Wound and To Hit.

Ragbanner – 30pts – Whenever the unit carrying this banner must take a Psychology test, it may choose to roll 3D6 and discard one result of their choice.

Faulty Pennant – 25pts – Once per game, the unit with this banner may add the Rank Bonus of a friendly Gnoblar unit within 6” to its Combat Resolution - note that this will not stack with a pre-existing rank bonus.
 
Bull Standard  – 20pts – Ogres in a unit with the Bull Standard may re-roll any failed To Wound rolls caused by the impact hits of their Bull Charge.

Rune Maw – 20pts – When a spell is successfully cast by an enemy spellcaster that targets the unit bearing the Rune Maw, the controlling player may choose redirect the spell against any other friendly unit within 6” of the unit with the standard, regardless of whether it was originally a valid target or not.7

Prohmetan Torch - 10pts - All close combat attacks made by the models in the unit carrying the Torch are flaming and magical.

Concerns raised on other boards include:
* Should Gorgers be 2-4-1?
* Rhinox Riders in general.

I'm concerned that you haven't done enough to make bulls worth taking. By inserting pit fighters into the list, I am afraid that you've made bulls almost completely redundant.

I'm concerned that you haven't done enough to make bulls worth taking. By inserting pit fighters into the list, I am afraid that you've made bulls almost completely redundant.

Bulls now have:
* Proper Impact Hits.
* Armour Piercing Attacks.
* An automatic Musician.
* Light Armour

For no extra cost. Would you suggest I make Pit Fighters more expensive?

I love a lot of it. Like most of it, but hate one bit... You have completely, and utterly destroyed the scraplauncher. It's atrocious...

The rest is fantastic though, and so much better than the rubbish we are currently having to field I like the flavour you've inserted into the magic items section

JJ

I'm concerned that you haven't done enough to make bulls worth taking. By inserting pit fighters into the list, I am afraid that you've made bulls almost completely redundant.

Bulls now have:
* Proper Impact Hits.
* Armour Piercing Attacks.
* An automatic Musician.
* Light Armour

For no extra cost. Would you suggest I make Pit Fighters more expensive?

It is in the comparison to bulls and pit fighters that I find fault. For only five more points, pit fighters get an extra pip of armor save, an extra point of weapon skill, and a very powerful boost against psychology. In many ways, this contrast is similar to the situation in the Beasts of Chaos book; five points is all that seperates minotaurs and chaos ogres, but the upgrades minotaurs get put them head and shoulders (and horns) above their brutish cousins.

Thats a nice read... even if i find it more to ne like a wishlist than anything else.

I once suggest the Ogre Pitfighter, but as an upgrade for the Crusher:

Renowned as vicious fighters, the Ogre Pitfighters are Crushers that has a special status amongst the Ogre tribes. Every time a Tyrant throws a pit fight feast, the Pitfighters are the first to jump into the arena and, most of the time, they succeed to impress the gathered tribe.

When a Pitfighter is marching on a battlefield, the enemy will see him as a normal Crusher leading a band of Ogres, but when he enters the fray, his combat skills will only be equalled only those of the Tyrant.

WS  3
BS  2
S  4
T  4
W  3
I  2
A  4
Ld  7

Any Bull unit may upgrade a Crusher to a Pitfighter for +15 points.

The Pitfighter may replace his Ogre club with a pair of ironfists for +5 points.

The combination of 2 ironfists, mastered only by Ogre Pitfighters, works exactly like the combination of a hand weapon & ironfist but, when used as an additional hand weapon, it grants them 2 additional attacks instead of 1.

I love a lot of it. Like most of it, but hate one bit... You have completely, and utterly destroyed the scraplauncher. It's atrocious...

Really? 

A Scrap-Launcher is now 10 points cheaper, doesn't cause Panic, and doesn't insta-die when wounded by a S7 attack. Those are the only differences.
As indicated by the smiley, I am confused.

It is in the comparison to bulls and pit fighters that I find fault. For only five more points, pit fighters get an extra pip of armor save, an extra point of weapon skill, and a very powerful boost against psychology. In many ways, this contrast is similar to the situation in the Beasts of Chaos book; five points is all that seperates minotaurs and chaos ogres, but the upgrades minotaurs get put them head and shoulders (and horns) above their brutish cousins.

I worked out what you meant only a few minutes after my initial reply, and I agree with you.
I've since upped the Pitfighters to 48 points, which should hopefully provoke more comparisons with the Ironguts than the Bulls.

Still, I doubt whether the Contenders rule should stay the same, or whether they should have it at all. If they dropped it, I could drop them to 46 points or so. It's a fine balance between making Bulls redundant and making Pitfighters uninteresting. Your thoughts?

Thats a nice read... even if i find it more to ne like a wishlist than anything else.

I'm curious as to what you meant by this - given the layout of the list, and the fact that a lot of things were tweaked or altered more subtly than the usual "20 points drop, and they have Hatred" fix. Does the list seem overpowered too you?

What's the point of the cave beast? It's very expensive, can't "sic", and doesn't seem to do anything two tunks don't do better...

What's the point of the cave beast? It's very expensive, can't "sic", and doesn't seem to do anything two tunks don't do better...

True. It's now only 65 points, which allows it to work effectively alongside a Maneater Hunter as a frontline unit.

I love a lot of it. Like most of it, but hate one bit... You have completely, and utterly destroyed the scraplauncher. It's atrocious...

Really? 

A Scrap-Launcher is now 10 points cheaper, doesn't cause Panic, and doesn't insta-die when wounded by a S7 attack. Those are the only differences.
As indicated by the smiley, I am confused.

Erm, do Scraplaunchers always fire as S3? If so, then I have missed that one... Quite plausible actually

JJ

Erm, do Scraplaunchers always fire as S3? If so, then I have missed that one... Quite plausible actually

Dude, yes!
You've been scamming your opponents, methinks

Oh, and Pitfighters have gone down to 46 points and lost the Contenders rule. It wasn't all that necessary, really, and it kept them from being properly costed.

We've all thought up our own personal changes to the Ogre armylist, and this particular list does have some similarities to my own. For one, I also allow ogre units to count as if they always have a musician. In fact, I am pretty sure I pioneered that particular change, lol.

One change you might consider is to allow ogre characters to join gnoblar units. Such a change could dramatically open up the number of ways an ogre player could use and field gnoblars.

We've all thought up our own personal changes to the Ogre armylist, and this particular list does have some similarities to my own. For one, I also allow ogre units to count as if they always have a musician. In fact, I am pretty sure I pioneered that particular change, lol.

One change you might consider is to allow ogre characters to join gnoblar units. Such a change could dramatically open up the number of ways an ogre player could use and field gnoblars.

Eh, Ogres barely even recognize the Gnoblars as a part of their army and especially don't count on them. I think with an army as flavorful as the Ogres people should try and stick to their lore as much as possible, not everything has to be min/maxed and optimized.

I really like this alternative OK list write-up although I do think you've given the OK player simply too much customization, I realize we're a low unit count army but that doesn't mean every single model has to do or have something different. My suggestions are:

- Less customization on the Scrap-Cart/Launcher (Maybe add a Bolt Thrower type unit as a seperate unit but not as a customization)
- Less customization on the Maneaters (They aren't Space Marines)
- Eventho it's a cool idea I would scrap the Cavebeast due to the fact that 2 Sabretusks will always outperform it.
- Yolkey Helm, cool concept and I would almost agree we need this in our current state but with all the other options (and the lifting of some restrictions) I feel that this would be way too overpowered if used in combination with certain other items (Daemon-Killer Scars enhanced terror bomb, Flying out with a Leadbelcher Cannon/BOH and sniping the enemy general on turn 1 spring to mind)

There's some other minor tweaks, mainly in the magic item department, but all in all I found this a very interesting read and a great write up.

We've all thought up our own personal changes to the Ogre armylist, and this particular list does have some similarities to my own. For one, I also allow ogre units to count as if they always have a musician. In fact, I am pretty sure I pioneered that particular change, lol.

One change you might consider is to allow ogre characters to join gnoblar units. Such a change could dramatically open up the number of ways an ogre player could use and field gnoblars.

Eh, Ogres barely even recognize the Gnoblars as a part of their army and especially don't count on them. I think with an army as flavorful as the Ogres people should try and stick to their lore as much as possible, not everything has to be min/maxed and optimized.

There is only a single, solitary line of fluff that justifies the current rule that disallows ogres from joining gnoblar units. That line is, "An ogre seen leading a unit of mere gnoblars would never live it down." That is hardly an iron clad justification to permanently and unequivocably deny the ogres this ability. Why deny an ability which could wildly diversify the way we field our armies just because some ogres might be a little embarassed to be seen with gnoblars?

Erm, do Scraplaunchers always fire as S3? If so, then I have missed that one... Quite plausible actually

Dude, yes!
You've been scamming your opponents, methinks

As it goes, my opponents are usually the ones to say it was higher...

JJ

There is only a single, solitary line of fluff that justifies the current rule that disallows ogres from joining gnoblar units. That line is, "An ogre seen leading a unit of mere gnoblars would never live it down." That is hardly an iron clad justification to permanently and unequivocably deny the ogres this ability. Why deny an ability which could wildly diversify the way we field our armies just because some ogres might be a little embarassed to be seen with gnoblars?

I'm pretty sure this was more to simply stop us giving an ogre character +4CR as a 40 point upgrade

Even so I fail to see the benefits of putting an Ogre character in a unit of gnoblars.

- Limiting your Ogre character to movement 4
- Possibly afflicted by bicker
- Sure his unit would have +4 static CR but because the gnoblars are so weak you're bound to lose 10+ a round when fighting anything decent.
- No Gut Magic on his unit

The list goes on.

honestly, I just don't think it would be right...a 20-odd tiny gnoblars armed with broken bottles etc. with a 10+ foot tall ogre in whatever armour and a big weapon.
plus the fact that gnoblars serve as slaves. Besides, would you really want to put a character close to or more than 200 points in with 40 point protection?

I see an error on the hellheart, it says the butcher uses it on his own phase, and it lasts until the end of that phase, which means written like this, it would only effect the ogre army, not the enemies!

it should say the butcher uses it at the start of the enemy's magic phase, not it's own.

Even so I fail to see the benefits of putting an Ogre character in a unit of gnoblars.

- Limiting your Ogre character to movement 4
- Possibly afflicted by bicker
- Sure his unit would have +4 static CR but because the gnoblars are so weak you're bound to lose 10+ a round when fighting anything decent.
- No Gut Magic on his unit

The list goes on.

on the flipside:

the character can have gut magic cast on him and then join a unit of gnoblars
he'd gain a stand and shoot reaction (gnoblar sharp stuff)

you say that the gnoblrs would be easily killed giving up wounds for combat res, but you forget that this plan could allow an extra 4 ranked units on the board for the ogre player (one for each character) - combine this with the normal amount of ogre units for support....I think it would be rather strong myself, even if they were slower.  A rule to say that bicker doesn't effect a unit with an ogre in it would be nice (after all, bicker doesn't effect scrappies) too.

- Less customization on the Scrap-Cart/Launcher (Maybe add a Bolt Thrower type unit as a seperate unit but not as a customization)

I honestly don't see the problem here - giving an option of two warmachines to mount on the Chariot-Monster is a move right out of the new Lizardmen book (Stegadon), and to lesser extent Vampire Counts (Corpse Cart).

- Less customization on the Maneaters (They aren't Space Marines)

Well, no, they're not Space Marines. But it is an extremely characterful addition to a unit previously lacking character but packed with potential. Gameswise, it's akin to Blessings of the Gods on Chaos Chosen, or (yes) Veteran Upgrades to Space Marines. I've found the upgrades to be one of the more universally liked additions to the list so far.

- Eventho it's a cool idea I would scrap the Cavebeast due to the fact that 2 Sabretusks will always outperform it.

Will they? For 15 points more, the Cavebeast has +1T, +1S, Bull Charge, and starts losing US and attacks less quickly. The only thing he does worse is that he can't be Sicced on enemy characters etc, but that's not what he's meant for - he's meant to provide comparatively cheap support to a flanking/frontline Hunter.

- Yolkey Helm, cool concept and I would almost agree we need this in our current state but with all the other options (and the lifting of some restrictions) I feel that this would be way too overpowered if used in combination with certain other items (Daemon-Killer Scars enhanced terror bomb, Flying out with a Leadbelcher Cannon/BOH and sniping the enemy general on turn 1 spring to mind)

Not sure how you snipe with a Leadbelcher Cannon or Brace of Handguns, but otherwise I see your point - the Yolkey Helm has been changed so that you can't charge with it. Is that better? Or do you think a points increase instead/as well would work better?
I've got no real problem with the Daemon-Killer Scars combo - enough armies are high Ld/ItP that it's not a reliable combo, and in any case the Daemon-Killer Scars are almost never taken on a normal Tyrant, so there you go.
Oh, wait. The Daemon-Killer Scars got a points drop, so a Bruiser can take both! I see what you mean. Yolkey Helm upped to 25 points.

I see an error on the hellheart, it says the butcher uses it on his own phase, and it lasts until the end of that phase, which means written like this, it would only effect the ogre army, not the enemies!
it should say the butcher uses it at the start of the enemy's magic phase, not it's own.

Thanks! I totally missed that. This is the importance of proofreading! 

I'm  curious, but why has the greedy fist gotten worse, and yet more expensive, was it broken it its previous form?

I'm  curious, but why has the greedy fist gotten worse, and yet more expensive, was it broken it its previous form?

Er, I'm pretty sure it's gotten better. Before it permanently removed the magical abilities of weapons it saved against - given that most magical weapons boost strength or bypass saves, your average Tyrant would have his 4+ Save ignored pretty sharpish. Not to mention the fact that he's already being/been wounded by the weapon, so it's a bit late to start negating it!. Its best use was alongside a Wyrdstone, thanks to it not specifying Armour saves, but that was frankly gamey, and risky at best.
Now it actively negates the weapon bonuses used against it, preventing an armour-save ignoring weapon from ignoring armour saves, or a +1S weapon from giving +1S. This, to my mind, actually makes it more useful than before, even if it's not permanent.

I'm  curious, but why has the greedy fist gotten worse, and yet more expensive, was it broken it its previous form?

Er, I'm pretty sure it's gotten better. Before it permanently removed the magical abilities of weapons it saved against - given that most magical weapons boost strength or bypass saves, your average Tyrant would have his 4+ Save ignored pretty sharpish. Not to mention the fact that he's already being/been wounded by the weapon, so it's a bit late to start negating it!. Its best use was alongside a Wyrdstone, thanks to it not specifying Armour saves, but that was frankly gamey, and risky at best.
Now it actively negates the weapon bonuses used against it, preventing an armour-save ignoring weapon from ignoring armour saves, or a +1S weapon from giving +1S. This, to my mind, actually makes it more useful than before, even if it's not permanent.

But it doesn't negates any magic levels any more

plus I always put the greedy fist on a bruiser with a 2+ save and the wierdstone necklace, for fighting challenges.

Great job so far with the list Revlid

With the gnoblar debate, i really dont think that ogres would ever really be seen in a unit of gnoblars - fluf wise, they would be the laughing stock of the tribe, but i suppost some big name such as "gnoblar leader" or something more creative could allow a bruiser to join units of gnoblars (although he may not be able to join normal units representing the fact people dont really respect him that much) making them ingone bicker (possibly D6 S5 hits if they roll 1 similar to black orc bosses), or the other thing possible giving an upgrade:

+15 pts Gnoblar horder (similar to Kroxigors in skinks)
Although normal ogres would never be seen leading gnoblars, young bulls sometimes join units to practice their leadership skills
The Gnoblar horder as a young ogre, mounted on a 40mm base, the unit doesn't bicker, the horder stays int he second rank (so cant be attacked until most other gnoblars are dead), attacks over the top of said gnoblars and has the profile of a bull except -1 A, -1 Ld, -1S
or something along those lines.

Another thing, i think weapon lord is either a bit cheep (for all those potions) or some of the maneater weapons are a little expensive, for 2 pts more than a GW you get all the weapons

Also i love what you've done with the scrap launcher, it really allows for some great options

Happy

bruisers in their fluff have as part of their duty's to beat any ogre spending to much time with gnoblars . i think having one leading a unit of gnobos would get the snot beat out of him. let alone if it were a bruiser or god forbid a tyrant. a butcher leading them would lose any respect his tribe had for him. those are just my thoughts on it.

butchers wouldn't so much be "leading" the gnoblars, so much as letting their larder walk instead of carrying it

bruisers in their fluff have as part of their duty's to beat any ogre spending to much time with gnoblars . i think having one leading a unit of gnobos would get the snot beat out of him. let alone if it were a bruiser or god forbid a tyrant. a butcher leading them would lose any respect his tribe had for him. those are just my thoughts on it.

Precisely. I can't really see WHY an Ogre player would want to do that, either.
And can you imagine a Butcher with Grut's Sickle in a unit of Gnoblars!?

Special Characters should be up soon, in a different thread most likely.

how about swapping hunters ws 5 for ws 4 and chucking on bs 5 ?
and move through cover if you havent already thrown that into the pot
scout cold be funky aswell
peacce,
tlk

It might be interesting to make the hunter more like an ogre assassin, in terms of weaponskill and BS skill and just take away it's ability to wear armor. Obviously not as high as a real assassin, but just more skill to represent that it spends most of its time hunting dangerous animals on unsure footing, aone apart from it's trusty hunting cats. After all, a bruiser who spends most of his time eating and bullying other ogres might not be as skilled as a hunter, who is for all intents and purposes a full time adventurer.

how about swapping hunters ws 5 for ws 4 and chucking on bs 5 ?

Whoa, there. An Ogre's an ogre, no matter whether he's got a bow or not - he's no sharpshooter, he's just firing bolts the size of a man. He's more likely to beat a bear to death with his club than snipe it from a mountain.

and move through cover if you havent already thrown that into the pot

That's a magic item - besides, he's an Ogre - exactly how nimble do you think he is? 

scout cold be funky aswell

Already an option.

It might be interesting to make the hunter more like an ogre assassin, in terms of weaponskill and BS skill and just take away it's ability to wear armor. Obviously not as high as a real assassin, but just more skill to represent that it spends most of its time hunting dangerous animals on unsure footing, aone apart from it's trusty hunting cats. After all, a bruiser who spends most of his time eating and bullying other ogres might not be as skilled as a hunter, who is for all intents and purposes a full time adventurer.

And a Hunter who spends all his time wandering around, fighting unskilled animals might not be as skilled as a Bruiser who spends most of his time pitfighting, beating up other ogres and raiding caravans of hardened fighters. Hunters aren't assassins, or even their equivalent. They're just fairly badass loners.