What's the worst movie/book you have ever seen/read?

I think the LoTR movies are a vast improvement on the books.  Thats right, I said that out loud.

I thought the books were tedious, and overburdened with descriptive text on insignificant stuff.  Like the 3 page discussion on pipe weed.  Hell, the final battle at the end of the 3rd book only got 3 paragraphs, why should pipe weed get a longer discourse?  These things make this book inaccessable to a large chunk of people, and I think the movies did a great job bringing that to the people who wouldn't otherwise enjoy them.

That said, I respect what they are to many people, and I can tell you that reading the Hobbit as a young boy hooked me instantly on the Fantasy genre.

I will agree with JJ, they cut the wrong parts.  They should have cut some of the scenes of Sam and Frodo walking and crying, and added more of the juicier stuff that they cut.

And Vyvyan, as one of the worlds biggest Godzilla fans, I too lament what they did to him in that film.  One of the greatest tragedies in the history of film.

tragedies

Sadly, no. A tragedy would mean it was an inherrent flaw in his being. Not true. But, I shall agree that the Godzilla american remake was downright awful

I can't see how people can say that LoTR was tedious, and some parts were irrelevant It was all relevant. Otherwise, the author wouldn't have included it  To me, what makes LoTR so unique, and so wonderful, is the sections like the pipeweed moment. It is Tolkien's mindless, self-directed ramblings that amuse, and enrapture me I find that his tangents, and off-course moments are what make them such a delight

JJ

You can't deny that some, if not many, parts were irrelevant to the story. Also, it's not hard to imagine how it can be tedious to some, especially with the hits and trends of this time tastes vary and some might not like or appreciate Tolkien trying to submerge you in the world as much as he can with the descriptions.  I myself have mixed feelings about it - I think the book is pretty good but some parts I found way boring and too long, some too short, and I do think that there's too much of a pomp about it - people saying that it's very good just because it's the right thing to say

I honestly find it one of the most indulging, brilliant books I have ever read though. That's the thing. No pretention, or saying it because it's the right thing to say. I mean it. I first read it at the age of 7, and in the 11 years in between, countless numbers of times. I read it looooonnnngggg before it became part of fantasy pop culture

I really cannot see how any of it was irrelevant But, if you perceive it so, then that's your perception You're entitled to it

JJ

Indeed I am

And I'm sorry if you understood the "right thing to say" as aimed at you, it wasn't. It just annoys me when someone says how good the book was when he has clearly not read or enjoyed it.

Oh, it's cool I just thought I'd justify my point of view, 'cause I hate that, like you do I can't stand people saying it's good/bad, when they clearly haven't read it

JJ

And Vyvyan, as one of the worlds biggest Godzilla fans, I too lament what they did to him in that film.  One of the greatest tragedies in the history of film.

There is another Godzilla Fan? Wahoo! I am not alone!
Which of the films have you seen, I own almost all of them.
Favourite Kaiju? King Ghidorah! ^^

i agrre with everything you guys have said about the lord of the rings, but they had to cut somthing out or each film would be 6 hours long each. i do agrre with you on that they should have cut more frodo and sam out and the reason that they cut glorfindel out was to give Arwen more of a part, since acturaly compared with most of the other main characters she has very little page space.

To all those complaining about the Lord of the Rings movies, I agree. I only read the Hobbit, but I enjoyed it thoroughly and will get around to the actual series... One day...

But all this talk about cutting things reminded me of 'The One Ring to Rule Them All' flash. Always makes me laugh. Especially the third one with the movie sequence. If you've seen it, you'll understand my ramblings...

-Evii

The thing about 300 and Troy is that although they advertise "based on true events" the only way to enjoy them is to take it at face value and ohh and ahh the special effects. Because they are not accurate at all. (the 300 stayed behind while tens of thousands of greeks and other spartans ran away, and no the 300 didnt almost win they were shot. end of story)

I didn´t expect them to be realistic...I was amazed about how stupidly absurd a movie can get in the hands of wrong people (i.e. hollywood film studios...)
I for example liked the Kingdom of Heaven, even though it was highly unrealistic, at least it was not so absurd (ignoring the whole-life-peasant-meets-an-old-knight-and-becomes-a-swordmaster-and-an-unkillable-superhero complex all movies of this type seem to have...).
I couldn´t stand the effects of the two films, even the actors did suck- Achilles is a shaved, always clean super sexy blond guy with sparkling white smile  

About LOTR: I kinda liked the movies, and I have to agree with Captain Tineal on one thing- the movies did bring the LOTR to many people who would never read the book, because of their page count Sadly, this is true.
Also, JJ, you have to accept the fact that Tolkien is a little vague in LOTR(I like Silmarillion a lot better, even though it is written as a history textbook for Arda), and that many people find this work boring. Not everyone enjoys a world where every leaf has three named cousins and his own tragic family fate...Also, most of the LOTR characters are just black or white, which is a pity, as the world so deeply thought out deserves some more interresting characters.

Mind you, I do not want to lower proffesor Tolkiens work in any way, I myself have read the book, it brought me to like the fantasy genre and it never ceased to amaze me how many names one man can think of . I also agree some scenes could have been added instead of Frodos constant whinig and trying to look as dead as a living hobbit can be...
I´m just saying that many people will find LOTR boring or just too plain, with good guys vs. evil bastards and virtually no interresting character twists or humour (well, maybe Boromir for twist and Gimli vs. Legolas kill count, but that´s too little if you ask me...), and thus the LOTR movie brought Tolkiens work to masses it wouldn´t reach otherwise.

i actually really liked clerks (Even though i probably shouldnt have seen it yet!)

"It's Pat" the move which was a spin off of the SNL skit.  it was so bad I had to watch it when Pledging for my Fraternity.

The whole Disc World series of Books!!!  uber ultra mega crap, one and all.

And Vyvyan, as one of the worlds biggest Godzilla fans, I too lament what they did to him in that film.  One of the greatest tragedies in the history of film.

There is another Godzilla Fan? Wahoo! I am not alone!
Which of the films have you seen, I own almost all of them.
Favourite Kaiju? King Ghidorah! ^^

I own most of them too, and have seen most of them.  I also have a movie poster from France (so it is all in french) from the very first Godzilla movie way back in the 50s, and another one from The Terror of MechaGodzilla  (from Thailand, so it is all in Thai) from the 70's.

I love Megalon... but perhaps this is worthy of its own topic.  I think the LoTR discussion is definately worth its own topic.

Now about the movie Troy - I'm not saying it is a film masterpiece, but if you've read the Illiad, you'll know that the heros from that time were epic.  Literally slayers of armies, so Achillies really was a Neo.

movies

pretty much any spoof movie you can think of

books

cant think of any right now, eragon was pretty good but the movie stunk

I can't see how people can say that LoTR was tedious, and some parts were irrelevant It was all relevant. Otherwise, the author wouldn't have included it 

That's not entirely true. The LotR series is incredibly tedious (if you can say, with a straight face, that it isn't while knowing that the Rivendale scene exists, you lack some fundamental piece of humanity). Tolkein was attempting to write a mythology for an *entire* culture, to fill the hole left after the Anglo Saxans were defeated. The LotR movies are the not the best movies ever, nor are the they best fantasy films ever, but they are well done (some parts, like the costuming, are very well done). Peter Jackson left out the parts that were not needed to tell the epic fantasy story (the book *had* to be cut down, anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand movies or the industry), and what remains fulfills the role very well.
It isn't true to the book, but the trilogy is well done. You don't have to like it, but they are quality films.

It isn't true to the book, but the trilogy is well done. You don't have to like it, but they are quality films.

exactly. I mean, all three film had nearly 3 hours, and that´s with all the no-really-neccessary scenes cut out. If they wanted to do the movies fully according to the books, each of the movies would need twice the lenght, and I can honestly say I would never spend 6 hours watching a film. Never.
I think Jackson got quite close to being good, I mean it´s not really that easy to make Orcs look Orcy enough to be believable, or Glum. The films, judging the technical side of things and actors were really good (maybe except Orlando Bloom and Vigo Mortensen, who could have done better acting, but that´s another story...)

@Captian Tineal: Yeah, I know that, I just foud the whole Brad Pitt-Achilles stuff annoying. My antipaties towards Troy seem to have no rational basis, though. It´s like allergy of some sort. You don´t know why, but the stuff you´re allergic to just makes you all itchy and uncomfortable after a slight touch

I actually enjoyed the LOTR movies, but I hate the fact that in most movies of books they leave out some of the good characters.

The whole Disc World series of Books!!!  uber ultra mega crap, one and all.

Wow. What didn't you like about them? I absolutely adore every single one of them!

The whole Disc World series of Books!!!  uber ultra mega crap, one and all.

Wow. What didn't you like about them? I absolutely adore every single one of them!

I thought the same thing when I saw the post... I think Pratchett is a master of humorous fantasy and I absolutely love his Discworld series.
Only way I can see someone dislike them is when one is a fan of purely heroic or dark fantasy

The whole Disc World series of Books!!!  uber ultra mega crap, one and all.

Wow. What didn't you like about them? I absolutely adore every single one of them!

I thought the same thing when I saw the post... I think Pratchett is a master of humorous fantasy and I absolutely love his Discworld series.
Only way I can see someone dislike them is when one is a fan of purely heroic or dark fantasy

Anyone who talks crap about Pratchett gets lynched.
I actually enjoy the books, the silliness is a bit too much in the tension parts, but apart from that, they own.
Who doesn't like his work? He got a knighthood for Maw's sake!

The whole Disc World series of Books!!!  uber ultra mega crap, one and all.

Wow. What didn't you like about them? I absolutely adore every single one of them!

I thought the same thing when I saw the post... I think Pratchett is a master of humorous fantasy and I absolutely love his Discworld series.
Only way I can see someone dislike them is when one is a fan of purely heroic or dark fantasy

Anyone who talks crap about Pratchett gets lynched.
I actually enjoy the books, the silliness is a bit too much in the tension parts, but apart from that, they own.
Who doesn't like his work? He got a knighthood for Maw's sake!

sorry to make alls ya'lls angry, however i stand by my claim.  and it's nothing simple as just being a pure fan anything or not, i like all genre's (personal preference to film noir crime drama.... and no i didn't like Guards, Guards either), i just cannot stand his writing style, pacing, comedy, or anything he touches.  i tried 4 books because friends begged an pleaded me to do so; at one point i was forcing myself to read 2 pages a day before i went to bed because i promised i'd finish it before the summer ended. 
i'm a huge Neil Gaiman fan and i hated Good Omens.... i could feel Terry presence in the words and it made me sick.
(guess i'm never getting a gnoblar in my sig anytime soon, huh?)

Creatures from the Abyss. Promising title, awful movie. Absolutely atrocious.

(guess i'm never getting a gnoblar in my sig anytime soon, huh?)

why do you think so?

We are merely curious about what is it that you hate about Terry, becasue, you nkow, it´s kinda rare
We´re not angry,and anything you say here is accepted,everyone here has his own oppinion on everything, so no hard feelings. This is not a Pratchett fan-site, afterall
Feel free to post anything, as long as it is according to forum rules, of course.

Has anyone seen the animated Musical version of Titanic? Talk about insensitive, the guy who directed it must have thought that the Titanic was some kind of fairytale, other than a tragic accident in which thousands of people died.
Now that sucks.

Hey, I also found a review of the Twilight film:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/2741-twilight

Here's a quite interesting link... It's a criticizing review of 1984 by Asimov. Although I do not think that all of Asimov's arguments are valid, or even well thought out, the majority of them are. It's quite long, but give it a try.

http://www.geocities.com/ncptrory/1984.htm