The Followers of Khaine!

Hey guys I thought I'd start a new Gnoblog as the Forces Tribe went abit off the plan. So this one is about my Khaine army, since the new book and its new fluff has been released it's got into my heart and since then I've just loves the Khainite units, so my army is this:

Crone Hellebron, The Hag Queen = 350

Shadowblade, Master of Assassins = 300

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 245

Assassin
Handbow
Rending Stars
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 175

10 Black Ark Corsairs
Reaver
Handbow = 110

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

10 Har Ganeth Executioners
Tullaris of Har Ganeth = 215

6 Black Guard of Naggarond
Kouran of the Black Guard = 153

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Crimson Death = 176

Total = 1994

C and C is welcome. Also just wondering how would I make a Hellebron, Tullaris, Kouran and Death Hag?

Not much to say about this list, as I haven't read the DE book yet, but common sense tells me that there isn't much point fielding the 6-man-strong Black Guard unit Maybe bulk it up to 10 men (at least...), or drop the 6 of them, and add the points onto other units

Nice to see you back mate!

JJ

I´m no DE expert, but I think you have far too much points in characters for 2k army.

I can´t see much point in fielding 6 man strong black guard, I ´d much rather switch them for shades.

But really, you got too much points in characters for my taste
It´s always better to have more units

Yeah, don't field those blackguard. Stubborn units are anvils, and 6 T3, poorly armored, one wound models make a terrible anvil (and by that I mean they will get shredded).

Am I right in thinking that your army has NO magic defense whatsoever? That won't work very well, I'm afraid. You will at least need the Ring of Hotek.

And I suppose Witch Elves become core if you choose Hellebron?

Am I right in thinking that your army has NO magic defense whatsoever? That won't work very well, I'm afraid. You will at least need the Ring of Hotek.

And I suppose Witch Elves become core if you choose Hellebron?

yes, they do become core.

But I still think the biggest flaw in this list is, that you have over 1000 points in 4 characters...

Actually 3 characters, an assassin doesn't count as a character anymore, I think I will drop the Black Guard, get the ring of hotek and put more units in. So with that it looks like this:

Crone Hellebron, The Hag Queen = 350

Shadowblade, Master of Assassins = 300

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 245

Assassin
Handbow
Rending Stars
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 175

10 DE Warriors
Shield
Lordling = 76

10 DE Warriors
Shield
Musician = 73

10 Black Ark Corsairs
Reaver
Handbow
Pair of handbows for Reaver = 113

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

10 Har Ganeth Executioners
Tullaris of Har Ganeth = 215

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Ring of Hotek = 176

Total = 1993

Well what do you thin know? C and C welcome.

well, better now, but I still think you´re trying to squeeze too many specialties into it. I mean, two special characters, cauldron of blood, tularis in 2k game... You basically have too little units which are too expensive, for my tastes.

Let me put it this way: You´ll have to try hard to outmaneuver your opponents, as 10 elf strong units ain´t gonna do much, besides executioners and witch elves. And if you want to flank, you´ll need some cheap or some anvil-type troops.

The best thing to do would probably be to playtest it and you´ll see. A I once stated, I´m no expert, but I generally don´t like fielding small, fragile units which cost a fortune...

The best thing to do would probably be to playtest it and you´ll see. A I once stated, I´m no expert, but I generally don´t like fielding small, fragile units which cost a fortune...

psst, they're pointy eared gits, it's like fielding an army of faberge eggs- expensive, pretty, but a crumbles into dust.

He is right though, it's the same problem daemon players face- what cool toys do you leave at home?

Just some questions:
where are you going to put Hellebron?
What's your plan with the Cauldron of blood?
Why do you have 5 core units?
Why do you insist on having so many special characters?
Do you want to get a khaine list, a khainish list, or a list, that works well?
What's your general plan?

So with that and another read through of all that is avalible this is what I come up with:

Crone Hellebron, The Hag Queen = 350

Shadowblade, Master of Assassins = 300

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 245

Assassin
Handbow
Rending Stars
Dance of Doom
Hand of Khaine = 175

15 DE Warriors
Shield
Lordling = 111

11 DE Warriors
Shield
Musician = 80

10 Black Ark Corsairs
Reaver
Handbow
Pair of handbows for Reaver = 113

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

10 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 135

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Ring of Hotek = 176

1 War Hydra = 175

Total = 1995

Well what about now? Should I keep the Hydra or add another unit of Corsairs/Witch Elves?

1. In the unit of Witch Elves or on her own.
2. To use it as a piece of help for the Witch Elves, or I could just scrap it.
3. So I have alot of units and they just happen to be the units I want.
4. Because they are very good and will be very helpful.
5. Khainish list that could work well, or just a well working list.
6. To go down the middle with all and have the DE Warriors flank the enemy.

What could I do with them?

malekith

1) drop shadowblade - you need to double the size of your units and you can't afford to tie up all those points in a special character.

2) possibly drop the other assassin too - you'll still be spending almost 1/3rd of your points on characters even doing that!

2) hellebron needs to go in a large-ish unit of witch elves (to protect her - she has no saves of any kind) or on a manticore to get her S10 attacks to where you need them to be (risky and aggressive but vicious on the charge)

3) drop the corsairs for now - you don't need another "block" of troops, what you need is faster movement so some more cold ones or a couple of untis of dark riders with crossbows would be a good idea.

I agree with wildcard with some additions:

if you want to use corsairs, make them 20 and get the frenzy banner or give them a noble with the ItP item and ring of hotek.
get the unit of witch elves up to at least 15, but more to 20.
drop the CoB, it's good when you have a lot of khainite units, but not in 2k.
drop the warriors and get some dark riders.
warriors are more defensive, or in prolonged combat, then offensive.

Hydra is of course a good choice and get all big units full command.

Ok this is the new list:

Crone Hellebron
Manticore Mount = 550

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom = 230

Sorceress
Lvl 2 Upgrade
Cold One Mount
Pearl of Infinite Bleakness
Dispel Scroll = 205

15 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 185

15 Witch Elves
Hag
Witchbrew = 185

15 Corsairs
Full Command
Sea Serpent Standard
Handbows = 200

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Ring of Hotek = 176

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight = 151

5 Dark Riders
Repeater Crossbows = 110

Total = 1992

Well what do you think now?

Where did that sorceress come from?
1 level 2 is too little magic in 2k, so you'd be wasting points.
Let me explain:
you have 4 dice and most armies have 5 dispell dice and some scrolls.
so you won't have a magic fase.
and you have to put her into the other COK units, because she is too dangerous to cast in a unit with the ring of hotek.
The ItP isn't to good on a cold one rider, because you are already immune to fear.

Dark riders always need a musician.

to be honest, in 2K it's really better to have 20 models in a unit, to get the full static CR.
That's why those units should have full command.

Ok this is the new list:

...

Well what do you think now?

Malekith, I think you´re missing our point here, even after the redoing of the list, you still have almost 1000 points in characters, which is AWFULLY LOT.

I second whatever lexy said, get your units up to 20 models, and full comand, at the expense of those characters, namely the sorceress, which ties up 200 points and won´t have any influence on the game in those points...

With all that is said here is the new list:

Crone Hellebron
Manticore Mount = 550

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom = 230

20 Witch Elves
Full Command
Witchbrew = 250

20 Witch Elves
Full Command
Witchbrew = 250

20 Corsairs
Full Command
Sea Serpent Standard
Handbows = 250

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Ring of Hotek = 176

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight = 151

6 Dark Riders
Repeater Crossbows
Musician = 139

Total = 1996

C and C are always welcome.

Yes, why not.
two things still:
1 drop one dark rider to give one unit witch elves the warbanner
2 make sure that your cold ones charge as flankers and not alone in a fully ranked unit.

I'd say try it out, but be carefull, because you are going to lose alot of witch elves on the way across the board.
A friend of mine always shoots everything he has at my witch elves and as long as one is standing she gets the arrows.
Especially when two witch elves got charged by a full unit dryads in the flank and the witch elves won.

Ok so I'll drop the Dark Rider for the Warbanner and I was planning on taking the CoK in the flanks.

List is:

Crone Hellebron
Manticore Mount = 550

Death Hag
Cauldron of Blood
Dance of Doom = 230

20 Witch Elves
Full Command
Witchbrew
Warbanner = 275

20 Witch Elves
Full Command
Witchbrew = 250

20 Corsairs
Full Command
Sea Serpent Standard
Handbows = 250

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight
Ring of Hotek = 176

5 Cold One Knights
Dread Knight = 151

5 Dark Riders
Repeater Crossbows
Musician = 117

Total = 1999

Well is this what you thought Lexy?

Yes, and if it doesn,t work, it has to look nice.

Dark riders are 5 points less, then you have now.

Oh yeah, oops.

Ok I've just recently put the list on Druchii.net and this is there feedback:

1. If you really want to theme it as a Khaine list i would drop the CoK and add in some Executioners, Assassin and Harpies.

the Exec will drop the overall effectiveness of the list but it will be a lot more fluffy.

2.I like the list, but there's a couple of things I find puzzling:

1. Dance of Doom on the Death Hag is pointless. The Cauldron already gives her a 4+ Ward for free. Either make her a BSB, give her the Cry of War/Hand of Khaine combo to make her more survivable or give the other unit of Witch Elves the Banner of Murder.

2. The Repeater Handbows on the Corsair units make no sense. Frenzy may force you into a charge when you'd rather shoot, and that's no good. Not to mention that they reduce the Corsair's combat potential quite a bit. Either drop the banner if you want them shooty or replace the handbows with daggers if you want them in combat.

3. No harpies? As manifestations of Khaine (and cheap screens, and warmachine hunters, and table quarter holders, and march blockers), I think your army would benefit greatly from having a few. Maybe drop the Cold One Knights without the Ring of Hotek to add two squads of 7?

4. Looks OK. But you gotta have more Khainites in a Khaine list ! Executioners, Assassins and Harpies are a neccessary addition.

I don`t really see Corsairs in a Khainite list. Maybe drop them and a COK unit, and add a couple of smallish flanking units of Executioners. Also there must be room for at least one Assassin.

Seems a fair list, but I reckon for an army to be called a Khainite force, fluff is all important. Hellebron, Death Hag with CoB, and two chunky units of Witch Elves is a good start (although I think more units of less models for the Witch Elves), but after that the list seems to revert to standard Druchii stuff. That is not to say that non Khainite units can`t be in a Khainite list, but I believe more effort should be made to include Executioners, Assassin/s, and probably Harpies, for it to be an Army that is true to the Lord of Murder.

Otherwise it appears to be more of a mix of standard Druchii with a large contingent of Witch Elves.

Keep working on it.

What do you guys think?

Ok I've done some toting up of cost and it comes to about £211, but it is going to shoot up when metals go up in price. Right then now I'm going concentrate on a scheme, with Khaine I want alot of blood and reds involved I'm just wondering what else?

Black is a predominant colour with khainites, even more so than your regular dark elves Also, IIRC, red is, isn't it? So maybe you could incoporate those into your scheme some how Red is already covered actually, by your mentioning the use of blood on your models Hmmm... Maybe black could be your main colour

Nice seeing you at Gamesday by the way mate

JJ

Yeah it was good meeting you too and I think I will use black as the main colour. I definetly will have to use purple, I just couldn't do with out it!